testing
first post!

spreading the disease
Hey:
My god you'd think there was a movement underfoot or something...heee heee

Well; it really is great to see a site dedicated to our sister island Prince Edward Island...most bitchin. Great work Harry. We've always known that there was a greta scene in Prince Edward Island now we get to read about it...very cool!!!!

Anyway; I'll be checking in a lot and if anyone's interested in Gobblefest or in playing the city of rust and toxidity (Sydney) just get in touch.

Much love and strength!!!!

Keep it tight!!!!

Rod

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Most happy to see this. Congratulations.

it's no...
island edition.

weird!
hmm, it just occured to me that i've never been to pei and i don't even know anybody from pei! that's ok, peilocals will be fun :D

tilted
hey harry, anytime you want to visit pei, let me know. i'm dying to get tilted over here.

we're already planning a peilocals super concert here in the near future. maybe cblocals and halifaxlocals can each make their own lineup of bands for concerts, and we could work out some sort of network for a locals tour where we expose our individual scenes to each other.

PEI
Hello!

touring band need's help with shows!!

hi there,
rob from the toronto band DEAD LETTER DEPT. here,
were coming out that way this spring and would love some help getting some shows in maritimes canada.

were a punk rock band that has a very strong jawbreaker/pinhead gunpowder influence, and we'd love to play any type of show you might be able to help us with, perferably house shows or all ages events.

here are the dates and places we need help with, please send us an e-mail if you can help and we can send some promo stuff to you if you need it, were not looking for garuntee's or to give anyone rock star attitude, just some friendly help would be great!

JUNE
Tue/25/NB/fredricton
Wed/26/NB/saint john
Thur/27/PEI/charlottetown
Fri/28/PEI/summerside
Sat/29/NS/halifax
Sun/30/NS/ new glascow, sydney

July
Mon/1/truro (NS), moncton (NB), edmunston (NB), bathurst (NB)

send e-mail to deadletterdept@hotmail.com or check out www.deadletterdept.com

thanx for your time

rob/dead letter dept.

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im loooking for a gurlfriend and will consider gurls froom other islands other than cape breton

huh?
Where the the fuck is the dressed to kill content? Yeesh.

march15th
is the only show on the 15th the melons show? is there not another show at the guild. or am i misinformed?

love and kisses
i enjoy having a pei locals website. it makes me feel like pei is actually bigger than it is.

so...how's about postponing this whole "awesomefest II" idea until late april? huh? pleeeeease? greg and mike, i'm looking in your direction here.

events
if anyone knows about events that are not listed, let us know by either posting in the guestbook, emailing me or contacting another admin.

lord knows, pei has never had a reliable source for event listings. so we need as much help as we can get.

thanks!
also, i'm the guy to harass about bugs, feature requests, and other tech stuff. i'm really happy to see so much activity within 24 hours of the site going live, and if there's anything i can do on my end, i'd be more than happy.

for those of you who don't know the situation, locals is free as in beer and free as in love, so please visit and contribute often!

well well well...
Finally PEI gets a site. Now maybe I will actually find out about shows earlier then the day before they happen!

bands
i've been adding all my favourite bands past and present, and dressed to kill.

any suggestions of bands i'm missing?

also, we need pics. email them in, kids.

girls!
anytime i have been associated with anyone from pei they have been nice.....plus you're all hot!

p.e.i. is fun!
i've only been there once in the recent past.(i was there as a kid, but who cares?) sumerset campground is the fucking shit. i'm tellin ya, any capers reading this, it is the shit. screw ingo, and all the on your ass wardens. this place lets anything go, and is equipped with pizza joints and a bar across the street. canada day weekend there is some of the best fun i've ever had drunk, and there's been alot of fun drunk times. it's not exactly roughing it, but we're all city kids for the most part. someone should plan a big show in cavendish for canada day weekend and all the capers can go to pei and camp on the a-loop. trust me, you definately won't regret it. oh yeah, i'm with darcy. looking for girlz in all the wrong places. maybe pei is the place, and i bet canada day weekend is the time. if anyone thinks this is a good idea, e-mail me and i'll do whatever i can on this side to set somthin up. see ya.................geez, you guys need a nickname. islanders?

how could i forget?
GO-CARTS! how could i forget the go-carts. they're right down the street from the camp ground. and they'll let ya race em, even if you're drunk. they won't let ya wear a helmet though? go figure.

the rudy huxtable project
the rudy huxtable project have a new website up at http://rudyhux.cjb.net for anybody interested.

on the topic of how i'm an admin and don't know how to do anything.
i don't know how to sign on. nobody tells me anything. i deserve nothing.

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i've never even heard i, robot, how can we be in their vein. i'm gonna punch greg so hard....


and hands held open should be in italics, duh. someone fix this shit. geez. and tastes like burning should be all lower case. anti-caps baby, anti-caps. fug.

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what's your email jonah. i'll hook a brother up with the coveted admin instructions!

coolness....
well i was lucky enough to been asked to join up with this great site.
i was running another island bands site, but i just shut it down and pointed it here.
this one is much nicer.

thanks for letting me in on this...

Riggidy Rock, y'all.
Hi there,

The Plan and Slight Return would like to play a show on the island. Preferably on March 29th. Can anyone help us out? Jonah? Mike? Drop me a line.

Thanks,
Michael
theplan@matlockrecord s.com

any plans on updating this:
http://www.upei.ca/~cadre/

the plan???
Wow, the plan on PEI, that is awesome.
I heard your guys CD from Mike Bigelow of Contrived. good shit.

I hope to see you guys play here.

The Plan
Your best bet is to try and contact Greg boon "I'm spelling that wrong I think.." He puts the shows on now. I think once is coming up around the end of the month as well. Does any one know Greg's email? If so pass it on to The Plan.

Just anothing post by me.
I think you guys "administrators" should add a discussion board to this lovely site. It seems people are starting to have conversations on the guestbook...

sounds
more sounds are on the way.

for all the non-believers, download glitter room by eyes for telescopes. fuck them guys are good.

Pics
I have some pics from a couple shows last summer. I'll pick out a few of the best ones and send them in soon. It's great to finally have a P.E.I locals site. good work..

guestbook vs discussion board
in the 5+ historic years of "locals" in cape breton, the guestbook has always been a discussion board (when it wasn't pulled off the web for nasty name calling and such). you would think that it being called something with "guest" in it people would be more polite....

photos
i have tons of photos going back as far as 5 or 6 years (local and visiting bands of that time). the're nothing if they're not horribly embarrassing. i don't know if this kind of thing is needed, but let me know if it is.

guestbook vs discussion board
yeah, i've always found that the guestbook works fine for discussion purposes.. with cblocals, people just started reading it religously, and they'd pick up the threads as they went along. i find that 'real' threaded messageboards get a bit confusing, and posts get lost sometimes, but with a straight guestbook, the posts are made and read in a linear fashion, so you get everything.

but, i'm open to suggestions, and we have the resources to code any custom messageboard/guestbook software you'd like to see. so, any ideas?

thanks,
harry

old school pei photos..
erin, yeah, we totally want old photos nd shit. pei old school reprazent. um, yo. so i dunno, serve it up, maybe send em to me or greg or mike...

pics
just keep the pics under 100k so that our database doesn't crap itself :)

you can use the photoshop batch resize option to make small jpegs of reasonable dimensions.

also, functionality coming soon to categorize pictures, add keywords, and search pictures/news/events/guestbook.

cheers,
harry

sounds
and more sounds would be cool too!!

jeez...
well i am impressed, this site is booming.
it is great.
spectacular even.

i love it.

When is Moneen playing?

who is playing at awesome fest ii?

pics....
were my pics too big?
i can't remember, i tried keeping em down in size..

I wonder...
Would any one happen to have any FYM MP3's kicking around? I managed to find 2 of their MP3's a while back on Audio Galaxy, but they never downloaded. So if any one knows where I could find some, please email me or let me know here, thanks. I'm getting back in to all the old stuff again. haha

yay harry is the coolio-est
10 out of 10 emilies and nancies agree, guestbooks rock....not that I have a say because i'm not in pei. BUt i've been there lotsa times, and my horse lives there. (my i say) Guestbooks are great way to start yer day.

nanker

Mini Slipped Disc
yeah i have now aquired a mini disc player so i am going to start recording show and have them featured here.. i might get my hands on a digital video camera and have some short clips... come to think of it i don't know why i didin't post this.... oh well

March 15th Rock Show
Everyone should come check out the show thats going on at the East Royalty Community Center.
The bands include:

tastes like burning
Dreams among stars
Later Daze
onepoint21
Uprising
Rippin Hammer and
Tremulous

The cost is $5 and doors open at 6PM. Should be a great show!

Can the ban on cans!
This post is to any one who thinks islanders are losing their freedom of choice when it come to what they want to buy, when it come to pop or beer on PEI. Any one who would like to see pop and beer brought back to the island in cans, go to this site http://www.auracom.com/~zilla/can-the-ban/on-cans.htm and join. If you are all for the can ban, then I guess you are winning the war, for now...

where's the shame?
the halifax/ pei guestbooks need some good ol fashion cblocals.com guestbook shame. real posts? jeez . . ya only get relevant information then . . spread your shame and spread it pride!

re: shame
There's enough shame on the front page. Dressed to Kill? Where's my fucking check Stephan?

shame
i have yet to post anything from charlie 96, and transam.

i'll show you shame, vince.

Cans?
Hey I'm not sure and all cause I have never done any research on the topic. But it seems to me that bottles would seem like a better option environment wise. Is that not true? Someone help me out. Andrew why is it that you want cans? Is it convience?

Communicate.
a.

my cans!
my precious antique cans!

bottles and cans
in principle bottles are a good idea (heck pop even tastes nicer out of a bottle compared to a metal can), but pei is inconsistant in its policy and ultimately the can ban is a political tool to ensure seaman beverages grip on the island's beverage industry. the can ban prevents any carbonated beverage from being sold here - with fines applied to businesses that dissobey the ban. problems have arised because of the ban: jones soda (which only sells pop in bottles) was not permitted to distribute their pop here for some weird reason, and a natural foods store was fined for selling all natural carbonated fruit beverages which are available only in cans - even though no other companies on the island makes a similar competing product. the can ban benefits one local business. but pisses off a bunch of consumers.

why i want cans
Cans are cheep, simple answer. Islanders pay a high price for bottled pop. We don't get any of the cheep pop like Big 8, Life and so many other brands. Bottles yes, are a little better for the environment. So why not ban all cans? Even soup in cans. Denmark had a can ban the same as ours basically and after a new government studied the actual law, the 20 year ban was dropped.

Bootlegs
I have Charlie 96 bootlegs.

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I thought that Plague Monkey, and hands held open broke up?
Or did they?
There seems to be a lot of talk about the two on this page.

They did break up...
Bands listed in the band section in italics are broken up. A lot of the bands listed are broken up in a matter of fact.

bottles and cans, just clap your hands ...
As a former islander, I think the bottles are a bigger tourist attraction than anything else. The last two summers when I vacationed on PEI, all my friends in Calgary asked me to bring them back bottled pop, or beach sand in glass bottles. We have some bottled pop out here, but except for some independent sodas, it’s very hard to find. Sometimes you can find coke in glass bottles at walmart, but they’re usually gone as soon as they arrive.

When I lived in Charlottetown, I took for granted how good bottled pop tasted. Now when I go back, I can’t have enough of it.

The problem with Jones Soda on the island, was that the bottles weren’t going to be recycled on the island, but shipped to nova scotia instead. Especially with the bridge, cans would be extremely easy to move and it would probably be cheaper to ship them to/from Moncton than opening up a new canning plant on PEI.

That’s what the government is afraid of. They’re protecting semans because it’s better than giving all the business to off island competitors. Bringing in plastic bottles and cans may be cheaper, but you’re losing good taste, island business, and the envy off all the other Canadians who are stuck with shitty plastic bottles and cans.

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p.s. Josh, you gotta score me some of that Charlie '96

ummm... music? anyone?
yeah so cans... we don't got em'... yeah if anyone has a digital video camera please email me.. i'd like to get some shows clips on here...

Digital video
Greg, Charlie has a digital camera that will take video clips. The problem with it is, the sound records really bad. You can dub the video with the song if you record the sound on a separate device, add pictures and make a little music video. He will be taking it to awesome fest, talk to him then, or email him.. CxPxD@hotmail.com

Most digital cameras with the video option will only record like 15 seconds, his will record till the memory card is full. So try and score some Compact flash cards. In total we have around 48megs in storage for his camera.

If all that fails, and you can find some one with a camcorder, I can capture the video here and encode it to something small so it can be added to the site. So just let me know if you want to do it that way.

On the issue of cans, I just think islanders pay to much and we don't have the choice other Canadians have. If seaman's wants to keep a market on PEI if cans come back, they can simply lower their prices and stop rapping islanders wallets who have a taste for pop.

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hey, anybody else notice that peilocals is the only locals website without any women on their admin list? i am assuming that this is most likely because there isn't a very large number of women (esp. compared to men) putting on shows, or organizing musical events, or very involved in the pei music scene in general (to the best of my knowledge...maybe there's some crazy underground women-based music scene i was never invited to, with bands that covers spitboy and discount). maybe i'm just ignorant and there are lots of women putting on shows that i don't hear about, seeing as i presently don't live in pei.

maybe a topic for discussion?

i just thought it should be brought to people's attention, what with the white, upper-middle class, heterosexual male phenomena in hardcore/punk today.

Girls
ummm way back, in the good ol` days, a girl and her brother put all the shows on in Charlottetown. Recently, I don't recall any girls putting on shows other then the battle of the bands that was at the boys and girls club. But no one is stopping girls from putting shows on... So if any girls read this, put a show on!

girls girls girls
tyler and nancy were the team that put on many of the old arts guild moshes back in the 90's.

the benefit for afghanistan refugees last night was organized by sobia ali with the help of a bunch of friends and activists.

strawberry were fronted by dierdre smith.

belinda doyle is one of many vocalists and songwriters in eyes for telescopes.

brooke miller of the spindle cycle (also formerly in bleek) is one of the best and most original vocalists in charlottetown.

the hardcore scene here is made up of many girls.

peilocals is one week old today. i hope as it grows it includes everyone who plays a part in the local scene no matter what their gender.

fundraiser
the benefit concert last night for the red cross and afghan refugees raised around $800.

and yes, there were naked bums on stage during port citizen.

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first off, i think it was such a great idea to have a benefit show for afghanistan refugees, and i'm glad it was such a success! i also wish i could have been there, but i live in ottawa, what can you do.

i just wanted to point out that even though there are/have been many women involved in the prince edward island music scene, in terms of producing music and organizing events, it is for the most part run by men, like most other music scenes. i don't think that is too bold a statement to make. i think that the initiative, time and effort that these men spend organizing and collaborating to keep the music scene alive on pei is incredible, and i am in awe of how much energy people devote to this. it has always impressed me.

i'm just curious what people think about the imbalance between genders, not even particular to pei, but in music in general.

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Any ladies interested in booking shows/tours or helping out in just putting them together are more than welcome to join the "pre" team. There are plenty of oppurtunities for any women interested in taking photo's, working door's, booking bands, passing out flyers, or anything that can be done to help make the shows the best they can be. Just send me an e-mail.

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awe josh, your such a sweetie. but what's with that whole awsome fest records thing? are they making fun of you?

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i don't know what's up with awesomefest i don't have anything to do with it. but the record label i work for needs some female employees.

Critical thinking in the punk/HC community
All right this is a disclaimer... i am not making fun or trying to hurt anyone but my commments/rants/observations i am merly trying to bring about some much need thougth in to the music that i hold near to my heart(romantic? yeah i think so) oh yeah and please excuse my punctution and spelling... both are horrible.. Okay... what punk means to me is a break from the emotionless and contrived 'music' than panders to western pop culture. So when i see bands in the punk and hc community just as emotionaly detached from there music as i do the garbage i see in the main stream culture, it makes me question why they are there to begin with. (note: you can be in an 'emo' band and not have emotion, just as you can be in a 'punk' band and still be contrived)If you use music as a way to only make money or get 'chicks' than please don't call yourself punk/hc/emo/indie it is only insulting and is ruining it for everyone else.. to quote gorilla biscuits "why play for us if your hearts not in it?"... now i am not posting this to say 'get our of our scene man..' but to merly to place value on your priorities envoling the underground music community. this is a huge emotional release/expression for myself and i hold it near to my heart... but who knows if you find out that you aren't actually happy in the punk/hc community and want to make it big, whatever makes you happy.... just remember that play the music you want to play and if they don't like it then at least your having fun...(note: playing music that other people like can infact make you happy, but i know it can make you feel hallow as well, not knowing the emotions and thoughts going behind the song.AND you don't have to freak out and break things to be 'into it' i does come across in many ways)I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks on this subject... or if people can get what i am trying to say... cause i have trouble explaing myself most of the time... really i do...

re: punk rock
Greg, you’re bringing up a very important part about local music. Good job. People should print off your post and tape it to the bottom of their set lists. Seriously.

***/ begin personal opinion and rant /***

I think your definition of punk is exactly the opposite of what it actually is. When I think of the term ‘punk’, I think about the whole anarchy/late 70’s/UK type of thing. Sure, the definition of punk has been thrown around for the last generation or so, but I think a loose translation would be “self destruction”.

Let’s talk about the sex pistols for example. They had a political message about something that was pissing them off, they swindled a record company out of a huge amount of money, partied their asses off, broke up, and then either killed their girlfriends or disappeared into the gutter. There was no heart or emotion; they were just in it for the money, sex and drugs. Total self destruction.

Am I really going out on a limb by saying that? Mr. Rotten himself has said many times that this was the entire idea of the sex pistols. Remember their reunion tour in the early nineties? When asked why they were touring again, he replied by saying that they were broke, and wanted out money. Sure enough, the band released a shitty album, toured for a summer doing 20-year-old songs, and then disappeared. That’s fucking punk rock.

The only reason why the NOFX/Lagwagon/Guttermouth scene of the early nineties was called punk is because no one else in the mainstream knew what to call it. Punk Rock music is more of a way of life than a genre of music. Those bands that are only in it for the girls and money are more punk than any of your XedgeX/emo/hardcore bands will ever be. If you actually /care/ about the music that you’re playing, then ‘punk’ is the last thing that you are.

And that’s why a lot of PEI bands are/were super lame for trying to do something they don’t even understand. Throw out your army boots and your volume 18 of ‘a century of rock and roll’ that you taped off A&E. Start something that you actually care about.

***/end personal opinion and rant/***

This post was pure flamebait. Sorry about that. Please notice the ‘personal opinion’ tags at the beginning and ending of my rant? Do I think I’m punk? Ha. I’m a computer nerd that works for a phone company on the 18th floor of the Alberta stock exchange building. I’m actually listening to Gordan Lightfoot right now. How punk is that?

I’m just throwing out my opinion of what punk rock is. It doesn’t mean I’m right by any means.

Anyways Greg, good job bringing up a subject that people don’t talk about enough. Let’s get some more opinions/reply’s on this. What’s your definition of punk rock?

girls eh?
mabye the girls in pei just need to step up and kick
the asses of male rock fellows. mabye u guys should start booking shows for them...

punk... rock?
When I think of punk rock, I think of music. I don't give a shit what some other people did with the term, and to be honest I see it as a growing trend other then some sort of rebellion. I also see a lot of band abuse the name Punk Rock with their music, Blink 182 and them other ALTERNATIVE bands. But to me, punk rock is a type of music, not a way of live. Punk rockers tend to ware dirty clothing, with patches. Country rockers? tend to ware cow boy boots and the hat. See what I'm getting at?

Sex Pistals first punk band??????
Contrary to popular belief, the word Punk was used before the 70's to describe a number of Garage Rock bands. It just wasn't made into a household name and a cash cow until the 70's.
Check out The Wailers, The Sonics, and the Standells for starters.

awesomefest
i'm looking for a way to get myself to awesomefest from halifax, aside from taking that godawful shuttle. i'm thinking the shows of april 5-7, but i guess i can't be picky. if anybody knows of anyone, ANYONE AT ALL, who has room and would take me, let me know. i'll pay pretty well and you can ditch me as soon as you get there.

Re: ray
Hey Ray, who said the sex pistols were the first punk band? I sure as hell didn't.

But you have to admit, the sex pistols were the definition of punk rock for most of the world. The definition of punk was defined as soon as it sold out. Which, I think, was the plan all along.

That and JJ Larosa.

As for Andrews point, I think the term punk goes a lot deeper than the clothes you wear. But that's a fair opinion.

vince
Vince, what I meant is now a days is basically what you ware. You got to admit, punk has became a big trend for people trying to stay away from trends. I'm not saying it's all about the clothing; matter of fact, bands on PEI do a good job at putting them selves in the right genre. I just see punk rock as music.

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I love Vince Lavers.

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i love vince more you arse

vince
i like vince. i don't "love" him though.

bullshit
http://neko.phresh.net/~vince/stephw.jpg

hahaha
That dude has a nice rack. And girl arms. hmmmm do I see nail polish?

preteam and band????
Hey Josh, you know I would love to be a part of Preteam!
and as for us girls kicking ass, we'll be out there, so watch yours....

Wanna start a band?
Anyone want to start a NON nu metal/non country/non pop band?

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i think lot's of stuff is punk. goin to a lame party and taking a big ol crapper right on the living room floor is pretty punk. i don't think anyone really has to worry. punk knows punk when it sees it. i know lots of people who i would call punk that some people would say look like alter boys. i also know alot of people that have the "look" that are phonyier than shit. it's just like skating these days. every kid out there has a skate; doesn't make em all skaters. you can tell the real ones cause they're gear is usually worked,kicks beat, covered in scabs, and they're not askin if you can do a kickflip-backflip casper slide to whatever. blah blah blah

Directions to the east royalty community center
well, if everyone knows how to get to east royalty..... then ill start...

once you pass the KFC, you go down the hill and at the bottom of the hill, you take the first left which is called MacRae Dr. Theres a weird purple/other color house right before the turn. you head down MacRae for like 10 seconds and youll see this white building with a park right beside it on your right. Thats the Spot!

If anyone needs more specific directions, feel free to email me...

See you all there

Shitting on a floor is punk?
I want to be punker, I'm going to take a shit on my floor. Every one should shit on their floor and be punk rock with me.

Re: punk
No one knows punk like my homeboys Merriam and Webster:
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Main Entry: punk
Pronunciation: 'p&ngk
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1596
1 archaic : PROSTITUTE
2 probably partly from 3punk : NONSENSE, FOOLISHNESS
3 a : a young inexperienced person : BEGINNER, NOVICE; especially : a young man b : a usually petty gangster, hoodlum, or ruffian c : a youth used as a homosexual partner
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Main Entry: punk rock
Function: noun
Date: 1971
: rock music marked by extreme and often deliberately offensive expressions of alienation and social discontent
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Bands from Nova Scotia
hey there folks, i have two bands form NS that are highly interested in coming to the island perhaps in late april.
these bands are Kary and Contrived.
Both most exellent bands.
you can listen to them here, http://dprecords.cjb.net very worth while listen.

so if anyone has any idea of who to contact to get a show going let me know. I will more than likely be trying to get a show at melons, but they would like an all ages show as well, so if anyone can help with that it would be super.

punk?
I think people should spend less time worry about finding a label to put on music and more time enjoy the music that they like, who cares what it is called. Do you like it?
then that is all that is important.

skateboarding
Ever notice how skateboarding is a part of the music scene in other atlantic cities, but not charlottetown?

It /used/ to be, back in the mid-nineties. I think it was the whole pop-punk/supercar thing that everyone had chubs over. The current music scene seems so much more mature. Why arn't the kids acting like kids anymore?

I live closer to mexico than I do PEI, but the skateboard content on this site is nihl. Check out the cb and hali locals. You guys should get into other things than music, like theater or art. Andrew's a biker, he should start up a bmx section on the site or something. The more peole the better.

A locals site just can't survive on music alone, especially in pei.

Just suggestions.

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good call.

art for sure.

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hey andrew, you're floor's next buddy!

skateboarding??
none of you guys probably know me, i do live in charlottetown, and this is just about that whole skteboarding thing that vince wrote about...yah i think your right man, i skate, i suck, but thats not the point, the whole music scene goes with it, what happened to the good ole days when you just get a buncha guys on "whale boards"(haha) and you go out and hit some rails and whatnot, i havent gone out skating in a long time, just because no one skates anymore, if anyone skates and wants to go for a session email me or something...the emo/punk/HC scenes arent all about the music...there is also lots more fun to be had...peace out

Bassist
Oh yeah...if anyone..i mean anyone, needs a bassist for wour band...it can be emo, skate punk, hardcore, whatever, ill play, ive been in few bands before but we never played anywhere, i have been playing over a year...so just email me with anything...thanks doods...peace

More local content
Vince, I also agree with you. Adding more content to our local page would be great. Art, video media, new digital design and things along that line. A lot of people on PEI are in to stuff like that. Our music scene is not big enough to keep this site popular for ever. Ray and I would no doubt be in to adding videos we make to this site, others probability would too. Mike Lecky (did i spell that right?) and others are in to new graphic design. And every one knows how to draw and scan... Just a thought.

locals
personally, i'd like to see more karaoke coverage.

No Subject
ahh you would to...

content/features/etc
whatever you guys want, i will code. i've already heard some great ideas and i have them in my 'to-do' list. it's great to see you guys getting so much use out of the site.
harry

re: adam major/skateboarding
Glad to hear there's still some skaters in charlottetown. Now you gotta get on your horse and promote you scene.

Find someone that's active in the scene, and get him to apply to be an admin on this site. If that guy is you, then get your act together and promote the sport.

Same goes for any art/theater/nerf gun promoters out there.

new skateboard admin.
I guess that person who would apply to be the Skate admin could be a female too. Wouldn't you agree Vince. Girls are good skateboarders too. I know it was probably just something you didn't think about when you posted but we should all start to think critically about how we write when it pretains to gender.


I'll call you on your shit. You can call me on mine.

-Propagandhi

new skateboard admin.
I guess that person who would apply to be the skate admin could be a female too. Wouldn't you agree Vince. Girls are good skateboarders too. I know it was probably just something you didn't think about when you posted but we should all start to think critically about how we write when it pretains to gender.


I'll call you on your shit. You can call me on mine.

-Propagandhi

No Subject
yeah, cblocals was pretty strong on the skateboard side of things, but it just seemed to focus more on music. but hey, go for it. i think it would rule. any decent gaps in pei?

GADJITS SHOWS
Hey all,

Kansas City Soul/Mod/Ska/Garage Rockers the GADJITS will be in Atlantic Canada March 28-30th.

March 28th @ the Marquee Club w/ The New Breed, The BrokeHearts (some of you might remember this band as Strawberry. It's been a few years since they've been out this way so I hope lots of you come down to check 'em out again) 8$/10PM
March 29th @ The Pavilion w/ The Dean Melankos, This Life Sucks, Nemesis 66 and Nothing To Say (Part of punkfest) ALL-AGES
March 30th @ Foresters Hall w/ ADHD, more...8$ (6$ w/ canned food)

www.thegadjits.com
www.thickrecords.com < br>

oldschool
i'm lovin the old pics and articles bill posted. anyone else have articles that could be put up? and how about songs off them tapes? i'm going to post a couple mp3s soon as i get some time.

yah
yah...ill apply for the admin for skateboarding...just one question...how do i apply for the admin.?

Show tomorrow is gonna be good...see yas all there!

bastard photos
my photos never work, for some reason? anyone know what i could be doing wrong? help! (yes, they're under 200k)

No Subject
hey ya`ll just sending a quit shout out to all for regarding Lending Jane`s upcoming show dates, please com check us out, its good times!

March 21st @ melons

march 28th - upei barn

april 6 - upei barn (80`s metal nite)

april 7th - frequency (awesome fest)

april 26th - melons

should be fun check us out, or give us a shout at lendingjane@hotmail.com

awesome
is there an awesomefest show on april 7?

The Shit
Someone must have pics from back in the day at the arts guild and all that shit. Billy, I'm talking to you. I think I should be able to find my copy of the self titled supercar cassette, I'll scan it if I find it. Or the first "eat this" CD.

envision
uh..i see envision is playing awesome fest..but this is the first i've heard of it. i have no idea if we can actually play. someone should email me maybe. yuppers!

eat this.
i have both eat this cds and the "wonderful" genXX cd *shudder*.

but alas i no longer have access to a scanner.

found something else
Hey, I also have a ticket stub from a show in '92 at the Makenzie Theatre which featured Stil, Strawberry, Down, and Chaz Rules. I'll scan it in this weekend if I get a chance.

march 21
on the calendar section someone should change lending jane @ melons to port citizen with lending jane.

help me help you
hey guys. me and some friends were talkin, and we want somthin fun to do on canada day weekend. i was mentioning p.e.i and and it seemed to go over well. i think if someone could get a show on the go that weekend(which is a pretty good weekend for a show anyway)you could get a good turn-out of capers and the like. if someone would like to drop me an e-mail i would do what i could to help. thanx.

No Subject
yo, geoff, what band are you in?

also, anyone who needs a ride to smellifax saturday, let me know.

March 30th Show
Hey.. It's me, Dean. Does anybody remember me, Dean? I'm that guy who wanders around town in the summertime, only to fade away, like so many others in the winter.

I'm bringing by band, the MiddleClass Pushovers to Charlottetown on Easter Weekend. I wanted to invite everybody (19+) to come out the Guild on the 30th to see us play!

We played oooo... Breakfast Television.. oooo.. the other day and we plugged the show, so you can expect thousands of lonely housewives to show up.

Expect everything from quiet jazz, mellow folk and old time rock and country to smooth funk and heavy jams. There's a hot girl with dreadlocks in my band and hot guy from England with a sexy accent. Hope that does it for ya.

pictures section
hey harry,
the pictures section should auto-arrange photos alphabetically likek the sounds and bands sections do. it'd make it a lot easier to look for photos of the bands you're interested in.
m.

No Subject
auto arranging pictures and more are available for subscribed users. subscriptions are only $20 dollars a month and we accept paypal and all major credit cards.

ok, i'm just kidding. i have quite a few changes to make to the pictures section so you can categorize, search, and sort pictures similar to cblocals.

thanks for all your suggestions guys. i'm putting these all together so i can implement this stuff when the new code changes go down.

code changes? basically, cb/hfx/pei locals will all use a shared codebase so i can simultaneously add features to all sites at once. when i'm done with the shared codebase, i'll be able to add features as they're requested.

seeya!
harry

No Subject
oh yeah, did you get picture uploading figured out yet erin? i sent you an email yesterday.

3rd post's a charm
oh yeah, our new servers are in place. admins can go wild adding sounds now.
harry

Gobblefest
Gobblefest is coming- only seven months away!!!! Hey Stephan; I'll trade y'all a long Wall compilation (Cape Breton Underground Bands) for that feast C.D. it sounds way cool.

Rod

Pic
I found an old skate pic when i was at home, so i just scanned it and slapped it on, its a start, its just from two summers ago when my friends skated and stuff, so...i just put it up, there will be some more when i get out

harry
i just sent some to stephan a minute ago, he said he'd try to get them posted for me. i've got piles and piles of them though, so i dont' wanna have to put him to work on all of them. grr, frustrating.

Show At East Royalty
Seen the show last night at the East Royalty Community Center. Thought it was very good, especially Ripping Hammer. The vocals for Jonah when Tastes Likes Burning were playing were pretty low for the first few songs, but were better in the third or fourth song. I don't think most people in the crowd knew what Jonah was talking about when he was describing the issue of intersex. I did though. Ha.

boo.
i am back in halifax, after a long ride on the damn bus. i wish i could have gotten a tlb cd but SOMEONE forgot. i am trying to get there for awesomefest, i just need to find a way there and back and probably a place to stay. bah.

Adam
The pic looks good. Once the city builds that skate park this spring/summer you should be able to get a lot of pictures for here, and maybe some video clips. Once the skate park is built you will see a lot of the old skaters get back in to it, and the new generation will have a chance that ours did not have.

Skate
Yah, i cant wait till they put that park up...the skate scene will go sky high!...everything from old school to whatever...

re: skate
What trick is that in the pic? Heh. It looks like a backside-nollie-inward-hardflip off the sidewalk bump off the left-hand side. Ha. Landed clean too, right? Heheh.

As long as they get the skatepark right this time, the sport should take off. I remember when the temp park was built at waterfront ('98), and parents used to take their kids there all the time. It felt pretty good to be taken a bit more seriously.

The only problem is that the ramps were worked after the couple months they kept it around. They were very poorly designed too. When they brought them out the next summer, they were un-skateable and only the bikers could use them.

The whole idea of the park being closed after dusk is pretty lame. The only time I skate is usually after dusk anyways. I think parents would rather their kids skating all night, than getting into trouble somewhere else.

trhp
the rudy huxtable project now has an mp3.com page where you can download every 2nd track from our CD, and the 'for sale signs' single from the out of touch records vinyl.

free tunes: http://mp3.com/rudy

skate park
The city bought $30 000 worth of skate ramps, and that's all they are using. Its all in storage, and once they find the land to put it on they will set it all up. I think frankly they should build a bowl like they have at the commons in Halifax. I'm not in to skating myself, but I find it fun to watch. And what the hell, I might give it a try. All I know is wooden ramps will just warp in the rain and with in one summer all the stuff the city bought will be ruined. Closing the skate park around 11pm is not a bad idea if it goes in Victoria park, seeing how the park is off limits at midnight any ways. But it would be cool to have lights set up all around the park so people could skate when its a little cooler out side. Once the land is found, and the park it set up skaters will have no problem pushing the Charlottetown Area parks and recreation for new ramps and what not. So good luck guys!

re:skate park
i thought the civic center idea they had was great, like generation xx in summerside. they eventually will put something up somewhere and when it does go up, they will start with wooden ramps and whatnot, but the way i see it, if enough people use it and everything they will start investing money in better equipment..and maybe eventually a stage, or even if not, you could put on some rockin outdoor shows...i think that would kick!

Re: Skate park
Well an indoor skate park is out of the question, for sure, unless some one rents out an old ware house to the city for like a buck a year. The city does not have the money to do much along that line. And as for a stage going up in Victoria park, that will never happen, and no one could get a permit to put on an out door show their, unless it was something like a competition or something, but for a local punk/rock show the city would just refer you to the guild or some place like that. Bylaws for the park don't allow anything like that. Your right though, if skaters prove them selves worthy of this skate park, and keep it clean, safe and fun for every one the city will upgrade the park. But the first sign up littering and fighting the park will be shut down, and equipment sold off. So any one reading this who skates, and wants to keep the park once its done, make sure if you see some one littering you tell them not too. In my eyes Charlottetown is doing their best in the line of funding something like a skate park, and the least people can do is keep it clean so city hall don't get complaint after complaint from nearby residents.

Oh, one other thing. One way to get some funding for a park upgrade would be to make an official web page for the park, talk the city in to setting up a live web cam looking on to the park, and try and attract some local advertisers. A few Canadian skate parks to this. Calgary for example does, and they have one of the biggest free public skating parks in Canada, they have everything from small corner ramps to an over head loop.

Can anyone hook us up a show in early june
heh this is kev from voyd in saskatoon, we could us some help setting upa charlottetown show in early june
any kind of show, bar show, basement show, backyard potluck fundraiser for an activist group, anything would be cool
http://www.voydmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/voy d
check out 'joe bible' or 'human being type gal'
please help, hope to hear from you
email me at kev81@shaw.ca if you or someone you know can

re: re: skatepark
yah, i know they would never fund for an indoor park, im just saying it would be awesome...but if they actually do find a good place other than victoria park, and you could put shows on there, it would be a great atmosphere for it, and yah your right about the whole thing about putting shows on if it is at victoria park, it is a residential area and there would be complaints like hell, but it wouldbe pretty cool if we could put shows on there, but yah, im gonna try and find out what is gonna happen with the whole skatepark thing...ill do some research, or try to anyways...and vince i forget what i was doign in that picture, i think it was a nollie hardflip, it was a while ago...and we will just say i landed it :)

funk dr
i just got back from redman. fucking eh. pip skid was up dancing like a maniac while the goods, kaleb simmonds and scratch bastard fucked shit up. too bad i missed most of their set because of the goddamn body cavity searches holding up the line up to get in. the host of the show, scott boogie was great at hyping the otherwise unexcitatble growd. i don't blame the audience for not being into the hideous new clothing store rap crew, the homies. fuck they were awful. awful awful awful. kwite sane could beat mix new school hip hop alright, but his set grew dull after a while. scott boogie kept it entertaining by throwing out condoms and teaching the white kids how to nod their heads. saukrates was aight. good flow, but a little boring. redman was amazing. funny, talented, and fucked up. most of his songs were anthems, and he borrowed heavily from the rap lexicon for some classic sing-a-longs.

re: skatepark
umm, i think i read in the guardian the other day that there is talks of maritime electric leasing out some land in a non-residential area downtown. im not sure if they're still considering it, but if it happens maybe there could be some fuckin kickass shows there, but it would still have to be closed at dusk for some strange reason. i guess to protect the skaters from vampires and all. oh well its probably better than vic park.

re: dave
really...wow that was some quick research, i never even looked yet, well that would be great in a non residential area, it would make it a way better atmosphere even just for akating, no people complaining about the "noise" of the skateboards and such and then the shows would be great...because the guild is usually booked up for the summer it would be another posssible place, thanks for the info

victoria park
I was just overlooking the bylaws for victoria park...bylaw 5.7 (a) says that you cannot operate any kind of amplifying system, well there goes the small slight possibility for any kind of skate show...just thought id state that fact...

peace

re:adam
lets hope they put it in the maritime electric lot then.
i'd also like to say the show on friday kicked ass, more specifically rippin hammer and tlb kicked ass. everyone going to the show this friday make sure you stretch so you dont end up a tangled mess of sore muscles like im feeling after the last one.
out

dbhe
why are all the shows starting so early. like man when searching for chin happened they were on at like 8:30 or 9. there are only 4 bands playing and doors open at 6? eep.

Bring your moshing shoes and fuck Andrew Dennis' shit up.
ha!

monday sucks really bad
hey mearle, i'm not in any band. i used to be in tilted many moons ago. maybe i would play some songs if they played a show in pei on canaday weekend. depends on the insentives. ya see, i don't really play anything, and i can't sing. so, ya see my situation. is anyone over there interested in setting up a show or a skate comp or anything for that weekend? there's people over here desperatly looking for an excuse to get out of town that weekend. i do know alot of band dudes though, maybe we could work somthin. any1 with ideas can drop me an e-mail.

No Subject
i'd be up for skatin in pei any time there's stuff set up.

Shows
I'm in a band called "later daze"... whatever .we love to play but alas know very few people who can help us with that...and everyone knows we can't help ourselves. If you want us to play anywhere please ask, if at all possible we will play. oh yeah moneen rocks ass so come to that show and tell falls he looks sexy "sans shag". peace.

Re: Skate park
OK, here is the deal on the whole maritime electric proposal. Right next to their plant downtown on Grafton st. is an open lot. That is where they were talking about. It is a residential area, and the idea has already been hit by city and provincial government members for that area. It's not happening, I think. Victoria Park is actually the ideal location for the skate park, it will be right by the water giving skaters a cool breeze all times of the day, and trees will block any noise skaters make from the good people of Brighton. The park will be right next to the road going around Victoria park so city police can keep a close eye on things. It should be good.

long wall
hey rodd, i'll see if there's any copies of "before the big feast" left. i gave my last copy to rock ranger. those sluts.

No Subject
if anyone is puttin on any shows and want to let a death metal band from summerside play,should email me back

pix and band
ANYONE looking to have photos taken for this site to promote bands, skating, etc.
Drop me a line! I have a lot of pix on this site so far and would like to have more!
If you have any ideas or anything you would like to promote or advertise, give me a shout.

And the band thing! Any GIRLS out there who would like to start a band give me a shout too...

re: victoria park
oh yah...victoria park isnt all bad...im just happy they are putting it somewhere...your completely right on the whole cool air by the water, the police keeping an eye on the place and everything, i think thats where the park is gonna stand for a couple of summers at least...well lets hope it works aout, we will just have to wait and see...

places for someone to jam out on an acoustic?
anyone know a good place for some one to croon some songs out on an acoustic?
the harp and thistle maybe?

The singer of the super good band Kary, from halifax might be here on the weekend and he is looking to do some solo acoustic stuff.

any help would be great.

pictures???
im trying to put up some pics of later daze from the guild show on february first but it wont seem to work, the pics will be uploaded but they wont show when i try and see them on teh site, anyone that can help me just tell me what im doing wrong...

pics
resize the pics. change the resolution. should work after that.

No Subject
stephan's got all the answers.

website
the cassette. has a website now at http://www.aioku.com/thecassette. we will have MP3s soon. learn the margled words and sing / mosh along.

also, expect wicked sharp patches at the DBHE show.


oh, and go to http://www.aioku.com cause i take some wicked sharp pictures from time to time.

thanks.
mike

re: victoria park
What the big deal with the police needing to keep an eye on things?

Skate show.
oh yeah.
2 years ago we did put on a show outside at the crappy skate park. The police didn't care.

Neil
The police need to keep a close eye on the skate park, for one, to make sure skaters don't try and claim it totally, cause it will be for little kids as well. Also to make sure no one uses drugs or drinks alcohol at the park. Littering or anything around this area of the law. Like I said, if any of the above happens often the city will sell off all the equipment and say the hell with skaters. So the police keeping an eye on things is nothing to worry about as long as no one is breaking any laws, they are not going to give you shit for skating at a skate park. As long as people smoke and drink their garbage at home, keep in mind the park is a public one for EVERY ONE there should be no problems.

skate park
well i wouldn't hold my breath, after so many
years of getting the runaround every i know that skates is fed up with how the city is handling the situation. (not the mention the fact that street skating was getting completely disregarded in most of the previous park designs)

Out side shows
The waterfront, if case you did not know, has all kinds of out door public entertainment. That's what it's there for. Victoria Park on the other hand is not an area for concerts and loud events. The loudest events that are held at Victoria park is baseball games. The odd time, and I mean once in a blue moon odd, the city will issue a permit to allow an out door event like a concert at the park. You never know though, if people prove them self's worthy of the park, and the city is happy with how people are running the place, then maybe they might allow an out door show there during day time hours. I do agree though, it would be fun!

Skate
Hold your breath, the city of Charlottetown is doing all it can to bring you guys that park, and they have been for over 5 years now. They can't just drop a park any place the kids want. It has to be approved in a long process, and most of the time residents were disagreeing with locations. Just because the Mayor wants the park in once place, does not mean he can put it there. Trust me, the city is doing, and did all it can do in this case, it's now up to the citizens of this city to trust their children.

confused
"it's now up to the citizens of this city to trust their children."

don't quite understand what you mean by that statement.

I ment
If the citizens don't start trusting the children of this city, and allow a park to go some whereas, it will never happen. The city faces a large opposition of citizens against every locations for this park. The city promises they will build it some whereas this spring/summer.

whack
this guestbook is just like a message board, the whole debating ideas anyways. someone should change it to/ add a messagebaord, for people to rant in. kinda like me right now. ha

does it really matter?
does it really matter if it is called a guestbook or a message board?
i mean it is like classifying music, who cares what kind of music it is, as long as that person it doing it for whatever reason they deem worthy, who am I or you to judge?

posi
That was not very positive traci. hahah

Guestbook/Messagboard
Well technically, a guestbook is for people who visited the site and feel like leaving a comment like "Great site" so people knew they were there. A guestbook first started as an actual book at weddings, and gatherings of such. A message board is a chat board. People can carry on discussions, basically what we are doing right now. I don't care really what it's called, but it would be a bit better if we had categories. Like skate park for example.

messageboard....
i have friends on this site...
maybe they will be nice and add us as a category..


http://www.antiantenna.com/cgi-bin/ Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

bugfiixes / guestbooks
hi guys.. there was a bug in the locals admin code causing problems with song uploads. if you were having problems uploading songs, you shouldn't anymore.

i like the straight guestbook format. you don't miss posts, and the posts are made in a linear order. the conversations aren't organized like in a threaded messageboard, but if you read it regularly it works fine.

it actually promotes discussion this way, becasue once a topic starts, the entire guestbook conversation will focus on it for a while, then eventually shift to 'run of the mill' conversation, then another topic.

if the consensus is that you guys more or less unanimously agree that we need a threaded guestbook, then i'll write one when the new codebase goes down. if you want my opinion, i'm a fan of plain old guestbooks for locals.

seeya!
harry

No Subject
but people here are not leaving comments about the site. but talking about pei issues. therefore we should have BOTH a guestbook and a mesageboard
... and how was my message not positive andrew. yeah i am pretty sure there was nothing negitive.

No Subject
i like guestbooks as well. i am not saying i don't. i guess it's just confusing for my little mind. when there are different subjects and replies popped in everywhere.
but thats probably just me so. don't worry about changing it.

Guestbook
I don't mind the guestbook. It would be nice if we could read old messages though. The oldest message in the book is from 3 or 4 days ago. I was messing with you Traci. Your very positive.

No Subject
that would be fine. if there was an archive of atleast a week or something. but i mean if i posted 10 messages right now, no one would know what else is going on.

No Subject
Now here's a pointless discussion.

No Subject
suck it josh, you fuck.

spat
i am in the process of making about 50 spat cd's. for anyone that is interested. feel free to contact me for your very own copy. they will also be sold at the show on friday at the art's guild. for 5$. please support the local scene. and buy a cd.

plan/rudy/slightreturn show
stephan, nathan here from rudy huxtable. can you email me about some gear for the show? once again, we're going to cram more cubed footage of ass and guitars into a car than can physically fit. i'm just wondering about an amp (a bandit or anything is fine) that i can run my little fender through.

it's fun to see how guestbooks in most atlantic scenes (newfoundland, halifax, cape breton, here) are so similar. or message boards and what have you. it's also good to see that the one here is as yet uncluttered with people slagging each other 24 hours a day. it's very posi:)

can't wait to play, nathan.

Spat
Yeah, I have to make 10 of their CDs for Flynns. I also uploaded one of their songs today, so download it if you want. It sounds ok.

Picture from battle of bands in 96
I just saw the picture of the article on the battle of the bands at Colonel Gray in 1996. Does anyone know who else played there? I think I might have been there but I am not sure. I remember I was at a battle of the bands and one of the bands had Chris from Flush and another band had Michael Sherry and Damien Trainor and some Nathan guy on drums. Same show?

band, band band band, gigs
hey, uhhh, im in a kinda hardcore band (i dont like classifications), if anyones putting on a show we could play in we be happy to play and very thankful. were very new but we sound good already.
later

re: craig
The Damien/Mike band was called Smoking Cinnamon.

I have a poster/ticket of the show at home, but I won't have access to that until summer.

Other bands I can remember playing that show was Chinese Checkers, Raw Overtones, Watchmaker and that band with Matt Hennessy, Chad Thompson and that Darrly guy. Shit, I can't remember the name. They played alot of sloan sounding songs ... always played at the barn. It's on the tip of my tounge. Shit.

I'm also pretty sure that 'Ed Who' played as well, but don't quote me on that.

I feel so old.

Vinnie
Hey Vince the name of the band was "Chase". Now i feel old.

old
You are old Josh!

somthing
man, why would anyone want cops around anywhere. now ya do have a point. the north sydney park in cape breton turned into a shit hole cause everyone was drinkin an fightin, and there was broken glass everywhere an shit. to me though, this is not a problem for the cops to fix. this is a problem for the skaters themselves to fix. if dick heads are fuckin shit up, let em know. a wise man once said "by any means necessary". cops aren't necessary. myself, i like to puff an occasional doobie when i skate, and i for one wouldn't want john q. law breathin down my neck. yeah, there's always gonna be little kids around, so ya use your head. if there's little kids, dip around the corner or some shit. bring cans of beer instead of bottles, and have a garbage can to put em in when they're done. just make sure you have a couple of garbage cans, cause they turn into ollie obstacles leaving garbage everywhere. maybe it's just me, but i don't need the cops for anything. i'm a fan of people getting together and solving problems on their own. the results are usually better and longer lasting. don't get me wrong, i'm not sayin let your park get turned into a drinkin frenzy every weekend, but it should be a place where skaters can have fun, do their thing, and live to skate another day without a 400 dollar fine. peace

battle of the bands 96
maybe this is old news, but i'm thinking of a battle of the bands at the gray from a few years back...and....argh, maybe this wasn't 96, i'm too lazy to do the math currently, but there was one that had theEwoks, toothpaste, raw overtones (damien trainor era), mayyyybe supercare, and shithead pete and the axe murderers (one of those really temporary punk bands, featuring members of POS, master disgrace and uh...shit, maybe a drummer from bluefield...). Josh i think would know about this one. oh shit, yeah, and i think DCU played too.

re: something
dood, you gotta realize something, not alot of skaters are gonna want to have a bunch of drunk ones fucking up stuff, and by them drinking it means more fights, and feuds, and the whole fact that we dont have canned beer here anyways, and the place where they are putting the park is a very public and opened area, so as it goes the cops will be there alot in teh summer, and will check up on teh skate park, its the only way we will have a skate park, and when skaters start getting caught smoking a "doob" or whatever man, the park is gonna be a whole lot closer to shutting down...so but this is in my opinion...maybe im horribly wrong i dont know...im just trying to make a point about a clean and fresh skating enviroment that all of us can enjoy...anyhoo

peace out

misconceptions
Thats the kind of misconception that keeps too many people from skating downtown.
It's sad that people think that anyone skating around confed. is out to cause trouble.
Everyone I know is way beyond drinking at the skatepark thing. People don't get caught smoking "doobs", You could walk down university ave. smoking and nobody would care, not that i smoke, but i've seen it happen way more than a couple times.

As for the fighting, well I haven't seen any fights picked in about 3-4 years. The skatepark is unfortunately going to be a magnet for trouble from people outside of town.(The Montague Ch'Town thing from like 4-5 years ago comes to mind)

Jonah
take a look in the pictures section :)

http://www.peilocals.com/pictures.php?_function= raw&id=219

re: jonah.
Kudos to jonah for remembering shit that most of us would rather forget. Heh.

theEwoks, DCU and the damien trainor version of raw overtones was the '97 battle. I know this because theEwoks won the thing, DCU wasn't together in '96, and Damien joined the raw overtones after smoking cinnmon broke up.

Damien started the set in a rocking chair with a blanket around him, and then rocked out be the second song. Memories hurt so much.

Toothpaste didn't play either the 96 or 97 battle because I always wanted to see them but never got the chance. I was at both shows, so I would of made a point to go see them if they played.

The '97 battle (I think) also showcased bands that didn't have CGHS students, so your memories of a POS group is probably right. Linel (forgive my spelling) was still playing with that group that had the girl guitar player in '96 (remember the pink hair?), so anything with skinner or Kevin would of been '97.

I remember making jokes about Terry from Obsolete planning on exposing himself, so they might of played too.

Supercar played the gray at one point, but I don't think it was for a battle. I could be wrong.

I have no idea who shithead pete was. I guess I'm not as hardcore as I think.

Josh is fucking old, but it adds character. Josh, do you still have my copy of "PEI Hardcore"? The comp with POS, Obsolete, Da Brownies and DCU? They're be some gnarly mp3's we can rape from that.

oh shit
I just checked that battle article. Fuck, was I ever wrong.

one more thing
yea, I was thinking of the '95 battle, not the '96. shit.

vince
vince. don't ask how. seeing as i am a younged. like good ol ripe age of 17. but i have that tape. it's actually right next to me. as well as i have a video of an old show. well not that old. but it has p.o.s... d.c.u... bomb scare... snot party and ratbag heroes on it. and i also have old show posters from pos and the brownies, etc. probably 97

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There was 2 shows in 97, one which was a Battle of the bands that featured Supercar (who were not entered just there to entertain), Snag, Sour(wayne macneil), DCU, and the champions "the ewoks". The second show, which was a variety show, featured Obsolete, POS, Spam, DCU, Danny Lutz solo performance, and Rather Content. The Variety show became trouble when "Bob" of Obsolete told Mr. Canvin to fuck off. Oh the good old days!!!!!

Great set the other night Jonah, and Vince do you have "Janitor's named Jim" on tape? and JJ has pei's hardcore. Traci i want that video.

video.
i can tape it for you. will you be at the show tomorrow? if so i can give it to you there. anyone else that wants a copy tell me. cause i have limited time/blank videos left. :)

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I'll be there traci, u just bring the tape. I have a question for whomever knows the answer. What did Andrew do or did i just miss some lil joke?

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i am not sure if this is it. but he is the only one(until dorian, and tommy and mike came back) that would do actual moves in the pit. and one time he kicked someone in the face.(?) him and dan from halifax. not on purpose or anything. but i didn't post it so i don't know . so whomever did probably has another reason for doing so.

alright i will bring the tape tomorrow.

moshpit moves?
What actually qualify as "moves", in regards to doing "moves" in a mosh pit?
i was unaware there was "moves" and certain criteria one needed to "mosh".

haha`
well it's more or so. not jsut the typical pushing people. it's like headwalks, and floorpunches. things liek that
aka crazy kicks, and fists up.

pit
hahaha you studied this whole punk thing to much Tracy. hahah floor punches suck. Not wanting to sound like a baby, but when ever I used to mosh I did not want to come back out with my ass kicked, hell I can just pick a fight to do that. A group of people punching one another is not a pit, I think they call them brawls. So maybe the new generation mosh pit is an organized brawl? bah things changed to fast.

Tonight
Death Becomes Her Ego tonight is going to be a frigging bloodbath...everyone should come and bring their moshing shoes and try to fuck up my shit..but you all know you will get ruined hahahaah..see you all on the dancefloor XXX

fuck yeah
fuck, 7 hours till the show is to long, im fuckin pumped. organized brawl is a good way to put it, its more artistic than that, and then its not at all, right?

sure
I don't know, it's been a while since I bother moshing, It's not like we even get the talent for moshing here any more. Well besides Tastes like burning being the last band in town that you can mosh to. So are we suppose to mosh to emo or hug to person next to us? I guess once we get some good old hardcore bands back in town, moshing will be good. Some one should start a hardcore band. bah I don't care any more, if you ask me the scene died when the dickmen broke up, now that was entertainment. hahah

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i am afraid the scene. and good mosh pits appeared to have died when old bands like p.o.s and d.c.u. died actually.
emo=crying in corners with itchy wool sweaters get yor facts straight andrew.

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there may not be much to mosh to, but tonite there is gonna be alot of moshing, but your right we need some more hardcore bands.

mashing
i'm glad so see people are "pumped" for the mosh tonight. i too am "pumped", however durring the cassette.'s set i'm going to have to ask you all to stand still, as the movement down in front affects our concentration.

there will be prizes awarded to the best standers.

mosh andrew dennis' shit up, yo.

mike and greg and the walkman

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i remeber not to long ago Rippin Hammer was frowned upon for gettin the kids all rawled up in the pit becuase it was cool to stand around and act dead. but now its cool again i guess seeing that the term "mosh" is back in full force. i fuckin hate this island

butterfly effect
Hey, im from cape breton, and a few years ago i was at east coast unauthorized and i saw a band called the butterfly effect. The singer was amazing. I can somehow remember them being from pei. If this is true can someone tell me what happened to them.
thanks

shows.
hey kids. people should come to ottawa and visit me.

03/30 - Mahahraj (2nd last show- with jared!), Boys Night Out (Burlington), TOE (Oshawa), Us Against Them, Five Years To The Day @ Club SAW - AA/6pm/$8

04/02 - Good Riddance, Anti Flag, Strike Anywhere, Thought Riot, The Code @ Barrymores - AA/19+/6pm

04/05 - The Constantines, North of America, The Soft Disaster, The Loopholes @ babylon - 19+/8pm/$5/$7 - RR/OS/club

04/06 - Born Dead Icons (Mtl), Experiment in Terror, Mach Tiver (Belleville) The Bottom @ Club SAW - AA/6pm/$5/$7 - RR/OS

04/09 - Poison The Well, American Nightmare, Bane, Miles Between Us @ Babylon - AA/19+/7pm/$12/$15

c'mon, boycott awesomefest, it's all about driving to ontario to keep me company.

ah. i clearly would rather go to awesomefestII. hope you guys have a good time. and good luck w/FNB greg.

butterfly effect
butterfly effect are awesome. they're from saint john, nb. http://www.artefakt.ca/bfe/

they are ok
They are good, it's not my style of music, but I'm enjoying the song they have on their site.

Emo???
how can one certain style of music be classified as "emo"???
Emo is short for emotional right?
well that being said, isn't all music emotional in one way or another?
Garth brooks almost cries during some of his songs, ben harper does, does that make them emo?
Speed metal are angry, anger is an emotion.
are they emo?

as for moshing, what ever happened to watching and listening to the band?
this is just me, but when i see a live band, i want to watch and take in the music, not worry about getting punched in the neck.
but again, that is just me.
do as you please, i am not saying you guys are wrong, just voicing MY opinion.

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What time did the show finish tonight?

RAP????

how can one certain style of music be classified as "RAP"???
Rap is short for 'RAP' right?
well that being said, isn't all music RAP in one way or another?
Arron Carter almost RAPS during some of his songs, DC Talk does, does that make them RAPPERS?
Speed metal are angry, anger is pretty ghetto.
are they RAPPERS?

as for watching tv, what ever happened to watching and listening to the television?
this is just me, but when i see a live broadcast, i want to watch and take in the content, not worry about seeing live music.
but again, that is just me.
do as you please, i am not saying you guys are wrong, just voicing MY opinion.

Tracy Flynn
How funny is it that tracy flynn punched me in the face??? Very hilarious...the only thing funnier than that..is that she called me a fascist..i would probably bake her a nice big fat chocolate cake if she could define the word fascist.

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mr. pointless makes alot of pointless sense

why cant people leave it alone?
i am so sick and tierd of people always fighting
or causing shit at shows. I go there to be with
friends and listen to music. not worry if people
i know are going to get killed with baseball bats
. there are better things you could be doing with
your time. if you do feel the need to fight, wich it really
doesnt make sense that you should,go the hell
away. i know nothing I say will be taken
into consideration, i just hope that people who also fell
the same way voice themselves....
Later~

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wow andrew say it to my face. you are all fucking talk man.
i would like to apologize to everyone else for what happened. it's not fair that i did it at the show. or at all. i have respect for greg and the guild. and i love shows. and i feel really bad about it all.

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you crazy kids, the guild has always been about bustin heads and recently posted below was how cool punchin and kickin in the pit is. andrew is laughing about what happened, i'm laughin right now about what happened, lets all laugh about what happened

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha (laughter about what happened)

locals
I don't know how this would work for bandwidth, but I've been talking to alot of people on PEI who do short indy films.

My brother Ray does all sorts of gnarly lil' short films, and I know that windom has a whole vault full of shit.

I'm just thinkin' of this as a suggestion, but a video portion of the locals could work rather nicely. You could also add in show clips or maybe even some skateboarding/biking clips.

I know the cblocals have some video on their site. Shit, it's just another dimension to the scene.

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Pain...... A Breeding Ground For Hate......

(enough said. get the fu*k over it... people suck)

Gone...

i don't think i have a subject {:O)
i just wanna say that I had fun at the show the other night. I didn't c anything that went on b/c i was dancing by myself, the bands were good and i highly enjoyed the threshold effect. I can't wait for awesomefest...i still have to buy my pass.

a big un huh.
thanks to all the people who took my request of standing still to heart. infact, you all went beyond that simple request and really, i mean really outdid yourselves. i mean, knowing that i had a problem with people distracting me, you all just did what seemed best for me and up and left while we were playing.

and i thank you for that. from the bottom of my little black scenester heart, i thank you.

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there seems to be so much tension in our lackluster scene

emo and respect and punching and the hey hey hey.
pineau, i'm going to assume that you've seen / heard tastes like burning at least once. if not, come see them next friday or download thier mp3s to know what i'm talking about. (that goes for anyone, i suppose.)

emo, when the term originated, meant emotional hardcore. this is probably back in 91 or so. maybe earlier. the term was applied to bands similar to tlb in musical style and stage presence. lyrics about the girl who hates you or the stars were not necessary. it was all about raw emotion just spilling out. having to set your amps back up after every song.

today the same music would be called screamo, i guess. with the term emo now coming to mean pop punk about broken hearts.

for more info on this, there is an excellent website located at http://www.fourfa.com . it is basically just one persons definitions, not the bible or anything, but he does do a pretty good job.

disecting music into so many genres and subgenres isnt the best thing for the music or the scene, but it seems inevitable and almost necessary at some times. when you're into the types of music so many of us are in the punk/hardcore/emo/indie scene (and it should really be just one big happy scene) you rely on the disection of music into genres to sift through the literally hundreds of thousands of bands that are out there to find the ones you'd like.

so while knowing before you buy a cd or download some songs whether a band is "progressive metal hardcore" or "jimmyeatworld wuss mtv emo" is usefull after you've determined what it is you like and what you're not into can't we just make a little effort to forget what kind of music we like / person we are (ie emo kid, hardcore kid, indie chic scenester) and remember that we're all going to the same shows for the same reasons. give yourself and everyone else the respect they deserve.

if you dont want to be punched, stand back or on the sides of the stage, you'll get a better view there, anyway. if you like to punch people when you listen to music, punch the other people who like to punch.

if you're a sexist homophobic asshole who likes to call people you're mad at a "queer" or a "bitch" then go somewhere where that kind of shit is appriciated. i hear the heritage front is always recruiting.

hey josh / an aside / be proud of what you're a part of
what's so lackluster about our scene? the large column to the right of this guestbook entry entitled "Events" seems to tell a different story.

look at all the bands we have right now for such a small pool of musical talent.

look at all the shows we have coming up dispite the lack of venues. (by "we" i am refering to the charlottetown music scene as a whole, although more specifically the hardcore/punk/indie/emo crowd.)

look at all the island talent comps. that have come out/are coming out recently/soon. (although you'd know more about that than i, i would assume. maybe you guys are doing a lackluster job at it. i thought the Feast CD was great, though.)

when have we ever had this many shows in such a concentrated amount of time?

although i wasnt here for it, i've seen the pictures of the show that flesh made to suffer cancelled on, and i havent seen that many kids at a show since i was in high school.

on the contrary josh (or whoever is posting without a name but using josh's IP number, you can see them if you highlight the guestbook entries.), i'd like to think that right now charlottetown is in the early stages of a Renaissance. maybe someday soon we'll have to start writing "only the first 200 will be admitted" on the posters again.

good point mike
Mike..you make a very good point. you should have been here for the last hands held open show...sooo many kids..it was great! I think whoever called it lackluster had reason to though...stuff gets pretty lame sometimes around here. I think that aside from the nonsense that happened at the show the other night stuff has been pretty good around here, lets hope things will continue to move forward in a positive fashion as far as amount and quality of shows goes.

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i'm game for video.

hmm
I don't really know much about the scene anymore, but it seems a lot is fucked up around here. It's like there is 2 scenes here now. What I mean is, all the bands that are playing Awesome Fest are in the "main" Charlottetown scene. Then we have bands here like Ripping Hammer, talented band, but they have to put on their own shows to play. I'm sure, Mike, you have your reasons for not including Ripping Hammer in any shows you have any part of setting up, but that's just breaking stuff up around here. And with the resent events of Andrew Dennis trying to start fights with the good people of Spat. It's just stupid. I'm sure they said something stupid to you, but can't you just grow up and set aside your hickish attitude? I'm sure every one has been made fun of, or been offended in some way by The late Dickmen or Spat, hell I have family and friends in the band, and they still say shit to me, I don't care. I just think people should get along, not be friends but tolerate one another. And like it or not mike, but Ripping Hammer should be playing more shows, cause they are a good band and I think people will enjoy their music. ahh fuck it, every one go their own ways, kill one another and let god sort us out.

sounds
the sound section doesn't seem to be working

the scene?
Is there really a scene here on pei...I think not. I see a lot of poeple arguing over some stupid shit. Isn't the "scene" all about the music and the bands. People need to grow up. It seems like the "scene" is run by a bunch of childern who don't know how to get along, and people really need to stop trashing other styles. live music should be appreciated no matter what "Style" it is. The scene here on PEI is way to small for people to be so fucking negative aboout so many small things. It's time to grow up people and just be more appreciative and thank god that there is a scene here at all , no matter how small it is. The bands on the island definetely have to be a bit more supportive of each other as well. no matter what style they play. remember it is about the music and the good times. we need to save the scene before there isn't one left. I'm sick of all of these little clicks. it's time to join forces and support the local scene as a whole, Help! save the scene!

question
is melons still closed down?

melons
Melons is back open. I was there the other weekend and they had this dj playing. Or check out their website www.melonsbar.com
And what is the deal with all of this "fucking Andrew Dennis' shit up" I don't know what is going on.
I think ripping hammer should play more shows as well. I think they are one of, if not, the best bands on PEI. Why are they not a part of awsomefest? Seems strange to me.

Tuesdays
Just wondering where I could pick up a copy of the Tuesday's album. Keeping in mind that I've put absolutely no effort into it yet and am merely posting this hoping to cut down on the amount of effort I have to put into looking. In fact if anyone would like to pick it up and deliver it to my home that would be great too.
thanks

Mike
Our "scene" is based on one pretty nice guy who likes to let his friends play ever show and have the same bands all the time. Well other bands who can't buy a show unless they put it on (and still get more people than any of yours) struggle to get by. Now does this sound like a prosperous scene to anyone. I hope not. The "scene" is dead compared to where it was 5 years ago because it didn't matter if you sang about politics, girls, or flowered rainbows you got to play. I'm not raggin on the people who come to the shows because you have a point mike, the crowds are better now than any time in the last 2 years. But yet again like in 98 when Nancy and Tyler had there obbsesion with "grind" and killed the scene with the same old "System Shit" this scene will slowly die. What is wrong with opening the scene up a lil. Now i want to make it clear that I am not rantin about this cause my band doesn't get a chance to play any of "your boys" shows. i know the reason and it has nothing to do with Ripping Hammer it has do to with you and me and thats fine if you want to call us a Racist, Homophobic band because i went out with an old gf of yours for a week thats fine with me. Thats your problem but don't try and tell me and anyone else that the scene is just perfect because you'll slowly learn that its not mike. i said my piece and for anyone who actually knows me knows i don't like to bitch about this stuff unless its to JJ so i apologize for the long rant.

Tuesday's CDs
Hey Ned,

the Tuesday's cd "build a horse" is available at Back Alley Discs or at www.sandbarmusic.com or e-mail sbalderston@yahoo.com

Tuesday's CDs
Hey Ned,

the Tuesday's cd "build a horse" is available at Back Alley Discs or at www.sandbarmusic.com or e-mail sbbalderston@yahoo.com

Craig
The reason Ripping Hammer is not playing Awesome Fest, is because the people who are putting it on hold a grudge, big time. I think the reason why mike dislikes Josh "the signer for Ripping Hammer" is because his old band, DCU, had a song called "Cum Guzzler" and Mike took offence to that because a girl he knew, thought DCU wrote the song about her. And typical island bullshit, Mike and his crew never took the chance to actually ask DCU who the song was about. I think I summed it up nicely. Now, I don't really give a shit anymore who plays where, or what ever. But it's stupid. All bands should have equal chance to play all local venues.

to respond
i guess the most important issue being discussed here is the whole "why ripping hammer never plays shows" thing. although i find it a little out of place to bring up my personal history with josh, i have to admit that yes, josh and i dont get along. i'm pretty sure a lot of people know that. but that has little to do with why RH doesnt play "our" shows.

The main reason is that the first few times i heard them play, atleast one of which was a show i put on, their lyrics offended me. now, i have been away for a while and perhaps this has entirely changed, i don't know. but for me atleast "the scene" is not just about music. for me music and politics are inherently bound together and because of that, and simply because of my beliefs sans music, i can not allow a band to promote a message i dont support at one of "my" shows. do i go to shows that you put on and harrass you or tell people not to go to your shows? (not to say that you do those things to us.) no. i simply let it alone. you do your thing, i do mine. unless of course you want the cassette. to play your next show.

now, to say that i only let my friends bands play or that i only let bands play that are certain genres or that i like, that is way off. do i like spat? no. but we let them play a show when they ask to play a show. do i listen to pop emo like later daze or onepoint21? no. but they can play "our" moneen show because i know that they'd like to play that show and that the kids would like to see them. do i let my own band play my own shows? hell yeah. so does everyone else.

i would like to think that i let everyone play as long as they're not being offensive (in my eyes). regardless of music. but do i pick bands that i like to play the shows i put on? yeah. it's hard work putting on shows, a lot more work putting on 5 in 2 weeks. i deserve to pick the bands. if someone else wants to pick the bands then they can put on the shows. i have no problem with other people putting on the shows. did i go to the emo show last weekend? yeah.

personally, i thought we did a pretty good job with the awesomefest lineup. indie, new wave, screamo, youth crew, street punk, emo, metal covers. that's not exactly one person's tastes dominating The Scene. are there any ch'town bands besides RH that arent on the bill somewhere? i think we did a fair job. i'm pretty happy with things.

as far as The Scene goes, everyone should realize that all scenes have problems. ours are fairly minor. and most of them (small population / talent base) we can't do anything about. unless you're going to move somewhere sometime soon, this is the scene you've got. and you've got two options, slag it or help it. if you want to help, come to more shows. there are other ways to help, but this is the simplest and it helps so much.

the show on friday was one of mine and gregs worst days in a long time. too much work for a show with a bad turnout and a bad energy, and yet i can still come home and post a fairly positive message about how things are going. i'm excited for these shows coming up. i like some of the new bands that have formed since i got home. i can't wait to show everyone the new awesomefest 1" buttons we made and the cassette. patches we've been working on. and the new tastes like burning CD.

maybe noone will "get" my band. maybe no one will read my lyrics or buy a cd from tlb so that we can fix our van and go on tour. but we are having fun. if other people are having fun too, then things are going pretty well. if you're not having fun then maybe you're in the wrong place. but i hope you're in the right place and i hope you're having fun.

andrew
hey andrew, guess who wasnt even around the pei punk scene when dcu was around? you. guess who wasnt there when i decided i didnt like josh's lyrics? you. guess who doesnt know anything about this particular topic and shouldnt voice his ill-informed opinion? yeah that's right kid. you.

as for DCU's "cum guzzler" - i dont care who that song is about. if it's about a dirty old hag prostitute it's still just plain wrong. its just an incredibly sexist song and demeaning to women in general.

looking back over old posts i'd like to say that i never called josh racist, i have no reason to say that, nothing to back it up. sexist is entirely different. songs like cum guzzler or 38 double d are all the proof i need.

Mike
hey mike

2 weeks out of the year is great and what your doing i support but there are reason's you feel disappointed on friday nights after shows that you don't like to acknowlage. but i'm tired of talking about it already. the show your talking about where our lyrics offended you kind of surprises me because for anyone who knows us, WE HAVE NO LYRICS, i addmit it i am lazy. We don't even say words if you listen closely you'll hear the term "I don't know......." with grunts and make up words surrounding it along with a few choruses which resight "i'm not going home" constantly. Be it DCU, the dweebs(an old and very dead band) or Ripping Hammer, i have never sat down and actually wrote any lyrics. mike what you heard was garble with a few "i don't knows" nothing obbscene or unfriendly in anyway. Now i now in the past we've had a couple of naughty title names but does anyone really care are we all that uptight. this is really a silly thing to harp on. for people who like ripping hammer i am going to right some lyrics...............someday i swear


P.S. now because we have no words does that mean we shouldn't have a chance to play.....i hope not

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cum guzzler was written about a priest by kevin macphee and women have large breasts on occasionals and some guys like them is that wrong.

Hey Mike
Hey, umm them song names are nothing compared to the dickmen songs. And you let them guys play all the time. So what is the real reason for not letting Ripping Hammer play? And if you had a beef with DCU, fine, but DCU is long gone. Now it's Ripping Hammer. You right, I was not around the scene then, I was never really around it at all, thank god. But Josh and I are friends, have been for a few years now, and I do know the whole story behind all this shit. Well his side any ways. But yes, I'm sure you have your reasons. Any ways, I'm going to get off this topic before every one hates me even more. No heard feelings eh Mike, I still think your a cool guy and all, but I think maybe it's time you give Ripping Hammer a try, not josh, just the band.

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I always thought the song was written about that porno JJ taped over 'the best of 411 volume 1' with. I could be thinking of the song 'peter north' though. maybe.

Josh is a lazy fucker and never wrote any words. Every song had a chorus, but he'd usually decide what he was going to sing about on stage or before the show. It was pretty fun for us cus that was the punk rock thing to do at the time. Alot of the songs we wrote were about porn, steak or hockey; which I thought was making a statement on it's own. Kind of a throwback to all the jocks at school 'n shit. It's easy too assume that we were serious, but anyone who knows Josh on a day to day basis knew that he treated girls with a huge amount of respect.

Although, Josh you're sounding like a dick on this guestbook. But whatever, you're a nice guy and you're more than welcome to any of my steak parties. The people that think you're the same person on stage as in real life, are the same kids who shoot up high schools with some manson turned up loud. Kinda like a real life 'stan'. Either way, people don't like your band cus they find it offensive. You should be proud, get over it.

I think mike. has balls for not letting RH play. He's standing up for his opinion, and I think you should respect it. I just hope mike. doesn't think that josh is an ass because of his band, cus it ain't even close to that.

As for everyone else? Decide for yourself. Here's a version of cumguzzler done in a reunion show in 2000. It's shitty, but enjoy:

http://phresh.net/~vince/DCU%20-%20Cumguzzle r.mp3

andrew, you're such a goof.
"and I do know the whole story behind all this shit. Well his side any ways."

you're too much kid. too much. see you at the plan show, alright?

aw, jez vince.
i hate to tell you, vince, but i'm kind of against porn, too. and well, until they make a vegan steak...

god, do i have any fun?

(answer: no.)

haha
hahah thanks mike, that's the reputation I've been aiming for, goof. I probably will not be attending the Plan show, my budget is only allowing me to attend one Awesome Fest show, so I think I'll take the one Spat is playing.

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I just don't see where we're offensive vince and its all i ever here.

the remix
maybe the line 'treated girls with a huge amount of respect' was a bit strong. He was dating lisa when I hung around with him, and he was pretty nice to her. I've never known him to treat girls poorly.

I have yet to hear the cassette. but they're already my favorite band.

------------

So, anyone heading out west for the whole G8 thing this summer? Shit is already hitting the fan. I got off the train last week and saw a poster saying:

Prepare for the G8 now!!
public meetings this week

And they were going to talk about stratigic routes, phone numbers to the hotels, your rights, and basically gettin' people prepared and organized. There's even grafitti all around town ranting about the G8 shit. You have to see it to believe it.

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i'm pretty sure you wouldn't like us too much, vince. but if i ever get that official vince headband i was promised i'll send you out a demo tape.

oh, and there will be a lot mp3s after awesomefest. of all the bands. we're minidiscing the whole shebang.
.m

take three
Josh, seriously now.

"She's a skinhead nazi but I don't care ... CUMGUZZLER!!"

I find that pretty funny because I was there when it was written, and I know how stupid and outlandish it was intended to sound.

Most people don't get the joke because fucking offensive and not funny to anyone but us. Which brings up the question: "Play to have a laugh, or play for a meaning?"

Both answers are right.

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Vince i'm not talkin about 5 years ago. I'm talking about ripping hammer.

oewww
Josh, good question. Not sure. You /did/ have ray in the band at one point, and that's offensive enough for me. I got a RH mp3, and I dig it.

But that's all that I've really heard. You guys still don't use the 'grow-dongs' do you?

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now vince your just being funny and your right ray was pretty offensive, i have an DCU movie from the guild with POS back in the mohawk days but should i send it out.....................i don't know....hmmmmmmm

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If anyone knows any members of Ripping Hammer please don't inform them that i was such a badass in my youth, there kinda conservative ands they'll kick me out......vince

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remember the time me, you, and JJ video taped simon having a shit in the halifax mall?

He was /so/ pissed off.

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we started recording mark (jd's lil bro) today and that exact story came up

mrr...
okay... since this is the first show with mike being back (and helping out with) i'll say a few words... i put on shows..... i put on shows, not for me... i put on shows for "the kids"... always have... i don't like moneen or any contrived garbage in the genre... as for josh i would NOT point the finger at anyone for any reason envoling the scene... cause friday at the show... you walked up, asked what band was playing and turned around and walked out (didn't pay.... not does that really matter) came back asked how many bands were left... turned around and left... i mean seriously how can you make and sorta claim about the scene if you don't even show up? was it because ripping hammer didn't play? as for ripping hammer... tlb and rh have something in common... we both have songs about anal rape... except one happens to be a joke and the other an expeirence... you know what's not funny.. like not in the least bit funny?? guess... anal rape, being a 'victim'(i don't really like that word) of if myself i really really don't like that a band could just toss the word around like it meant nothing... like everyone who has expierenced it was just a person to laugh at.. i am all for jokes... i like to dance... i like music... hell josh i am pretty sure if i got to know you i'l even like you.. but i only see you at shows.... and you talk about really dumb things and make fun of one of the most tramatic things of my life... like i was the punch line to a joke i am yet to find funny...

I am sick and tired of puttin on shows for people who don't appericate them... I am sick of putting on shows for bands who just complain... and don't appericate them... I am sick of people who make claims like 'they won't let us play shows' when they have never asked me if they could... (not once has ripping hammerever (chissy asked but mike gave some response i didn't read) asked me if they could play a show)and I am sick of people boiling down music to a simple comodfication, removing every though, every emotion, every struggle, every message, and every thing that i hold so close to my heart, that makes me get past things like sexual assault, and depression.

I would really like to talk this over with the people addressed in this rant/big-negative-ball-o-post. we can go somewhere for coffee my treat (as long as you promise not to get milk.ha)seriously give me a call..
(w)368-6580
(h)566-9901
i work 9 to 5 and please don't call after 11pm at home..i live with my parents... yeah lame i know...

Greg
Greg, I never knew about that happening to you, I am sorry to hear that as well. I never really though about it that way, but when you say it like that it makes since. Something that could be a little joke to one person, could be a world of hurt for another, and bring back a lot of bad memories.

I also know why you put on shows, and it's good that people are still putting them on. I don't attend them as often as I used to, but once the summer hits and I get back in to the mood of leaving home more often I will frequent the shows again. (I hibernate in the winter) I think we all should maybe drop this whole scene thing, from what Mike and you said, it's not the scene to blame, it's mostly our selves. And when one does think about it, the scene is doing pretty good, Awesomefest for example does cover a lot of genre as mike mentioned. And yes, maybe if Ripping Hammer asked more often, they might get show if they leave the worst of their songs at home.

YOU WILLL NEVER GUESS MY REAL ID
HI IM WRITING TO TELL A STORY ABOUT HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PAGE.{AT THE TIME WEARING A SHIRT}
IT WAS AT ABOUT 9AM IN THE MORNING AND I WAS READY TO HAVE SOME BLACK COFFEE WITH DEAN, LIKE I DO EVERY MORNING. WHEN I HAD DISCOVERD THAT DEAN WAS STILL IN HIS ROOM. I BECAME SCARED AND A LITTLE BIT THREATENED.
SO I, LIKE MOST NORMAL PEOPLE,BARDGED INTO HIS ROOM, AND FOUND DEAN TOUCHING HIMSELF.
AT FIRST I FELT VERY ANGRY,AND THOUGHHT OF MANY DEFERENT WAYS TO PUNISH HIM FOR HIS MEAN BEHAVIOUR.
UNTIL I HAD NOTICED WHAT IT WAS HE WAS LOOKING AT, AND IT WAS PEI LOCALS.I WAS VERY IMPRESSED AND BEGAN TO TOUCH MYSELF AS WELL, AND FORGOT OF ALL THE DEFERENT WAYS THAT I WAS GOING TO PUNISH DEAN
{MANY OF WHICH PUNISHMENTS INVOLVED HIM WITH HIS SHIRT OFF}
THE POINT IS WE THINK THIS IS GREAT!AND TO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. AND IN TURN DEAN AND I WILL TOO!{WITH OUR SHIRTS OFF}...{ALTHOUGH SOMTIMES IT GETS COLD AND WE LEAVE THEM ON}DOES TOMMY GRANT STILL WEAR SHIRTS? THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM HE HAD GIVEN THEM UP.I ALSO THINK THAT JONAH C SHOULD GROW A MOUSTACE!

PLEASE FORGIVE ALL TYPEOOOOOOO'S

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the reason why i left that show greg is for some reason the last band was halfway through there set at 9:30, its nice to see shows finish early for the kids but come on, and about this whole anal rape issue, ripping hammer have zero songs about anal rape and never will so i'll leave that one with TLB. get your facts a lil straight and talk to me about RH songs and my garble.

old post/tyler & nancy...

maybe nobody noticed this or they didn't care, or perhaps i'm just the only other kid left who was around when tyler and nancy were putting on shows, but i just wanted to poinit out that joah claiming tyler and nancy's "grind obsession" was killing the scene back in the day is total bullshit. if anybody actually looks at the bands who were playing those shows (or checks out an old show poster, for lack of accurate long-term memory) they will notice that they were probably the most musically diverse shows we've ever had on pei...because the bands who were playing then weren't grind bands, in fact pei didn't have any grind bands, we had people like watchmaker, ed who (alterna-grunge, for lack of a better description), toothpaste (shadowey men style surf), thEwoks (messed up noisy stuff), obsolete (punk rock), fraction attraction (rock. they were rock, people. thee had guitar solos and they covered beat it for chrissakes), bleek (sort of punk something), monolith, supercar (duh), strawberry, and any other zillion bands that i apologize for not mentioning, but i think i'm making my point. one of the strongest things about the scene then was that it was so diverse, so shows were basically a bunch of different local bands and then usually a punk or grind band from off-island. and it's not like tyler and nancy only got grind bands from away either, take bad luck #13, NFA, the bomb scares, the little people, BOOMING AIRPLANES for god's sake.

to say that it was their grind obsession that brought things down is totally a misrepresentation, and i think it's worht pointing out that shows did really well for a long time before the underground scene turned into a "punk" scene, and i think telling evidence for this was the first all punk show put on at the guild, which featured POS, obsolete, DCU, (maybe da brownies too..), FYM and the Wankin Family, where about 30 people came and lionel ended up losing hundreds of dollars. if anything, it was the transition to a punk scene that brought the scene down, because shows didn't really experience a resurgence until all the HC kids started turning out en masse and suddenly there were about 3 dozen sXe kids kicking around.


geez josh, i mean you were there (at least i assume you were there before DCU started playing shows), you should know this shit.


that was just a little attempt to clean up the record here...

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i'll go and chat with you anytime greg.

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hey johah i love nancy and tyler and they helped out dcu alot i was bringin up a time when supercar had broken up and they started pushin grind shows and the crowds slowly began to fade. thats all, man i love the old shows and i know how great they were but in the end you have to admit it faded

hey
well i have signed this thing in a whilek and i notice there is a little feud goign on between...alot of stuff...well i admit i have not been around as long as most of you in the scene...but (this is in my opinion) we should all stop fighting about how the scene "died" or "faded" and start doing something to make it better, instead of talking about the old shows and when the scene faded talk about soem ideas to make teh scene better...im not trying to upset anyone here or anything or make anyone pissed at me...im just stating that maybe this is a beter idea then having everyone at eachother all the time...well anyways

peace

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there's a link at the bottom of the page now to view last 100 guestbook posts.

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the sounds section is now fixed. sorry about that!

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i just want to set a couple things strait. this whole discussion began by me calling the scene "lackluster" and mike lecky taking offence by that. now with awesomefest aside because it is only 2 weeks of the year. i was trying to say that if you book 4 screamo bands, 4 punk bands or 4 latin bands together shows will not suceed here. now when i was talking to mike he told me how him and greg put alot of work into the show with posters ect. and they were a lil disappointed about the turn out for the show and i said if you book 4 screamo bands instead of a diverse group of bands your setting yourself up for it. this being fridays show/Searching for Chin show...ect. we agreed on a couple things and disagree about a ton of things i'm sure(these were through e-mail).i think awesome fest is a great thing it is totally diverse and i hope the crowds are large and gratefull but why can't all shows be diverse. the show at the ER community center was one of the best shows in a long time, a good crowd and good music. i think jordan did a great job for putting it together. whats wrong with shows like that all the time, those are the ones that everyone goes home happy after.

now at no time have i requested ripping hammer to play at awesomefest or any shows. (except if ray is putting them on i have to beg...lol)this was not meant out to be a "why is ripping hammer not playing arts guild shows" it was a discussion between me and mike on why the scene isn't better than it is, thats all. the whole anal rape thing is confusing to me i remember us mockin it at a show because we were told of the aqcusations being said "behind our backs" about us promoting it. these are silly and stupid, actually no there very serious and greg if you want to post remarks about anal rape and ripping hammer just e-mail me instead and i'll gladly clear up any misinterpretation you have on the sitution. we don't condone it and never will, with people anyway....jk

for anyone who really know, they know i say stupid things when i get worked up and i said a couple lastnight but i think i made some good points too.......Nancy and Tyler i really do love you guys.

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that was my last post on this topic sorry to bore everyone with this situation i'm sick of it myself if greg, mike or jonah want to talk to me thats cool, for everyone else.........."lets just rock n roll"

sounds like high school
First off, I think this site is a really great idea. Second, could it not be used for better things than high school antics (I am refering to the long drawn out, some-what amusing, but a little petty in-fighting). About the PEI scene, I think we have a lot of super talent but not enough co-operation among all the bands around the island. I am hoping that is what this web site will succeed in going, bringing together the island bands.
As for the way island scene used to be...When I was in FCU we often played shows with Strawberry and other bands. It was really funny to see. When Strawberry played everyone sat down in front and then when we played everyone gor up to mosh, two very diverse bands did play together quite successfully. I think we usually had 50 or more people at these shows. There was no fighting about who was going to play we just asked any of the bands we knew. (there were less bands back then tho).
I guess I just wanted to say that I see a lot of good bands around and it would suck to have OUR scene ruined by lack of cooperation.

Take the Capital Go!
For all who are interested:

http://www.takethecapital.net is apparently the website for the actions going on in Ottawa on June 26-27. However, it is either not up, or not working, or my computer is on the fritz.

BUT! If you're really keen, you should check out these websites:

http://www.gdo.ca/events.html or this one
http://g8.activist.ca/

because they have a lot of good information on the events for people planning to come up to Ottawa and beyond. AND if you're into KNITTING (cos shit, i know EVERY scenester on PEI is into knitting..) you should check THIS out:

http://g8.activist.ca/calltoaction/knit.html < br>
Go Knitting!

Hopefully "The Scene" won't be a warzone when I get back. Solidarity..

love, Christina xo.

wow, this blows.
fighting....awesome.

i'll just say it blows.
it makes me almost sad i am part of this site/scene.
it is very high school.

There is tons of bands on pei that are great, BUT unfortunatly you can't have 12 bands play one show.
there is only a certain ammount of time.
Although i agree with Billy that there is no reason why you can't have more diverse bands play.
When my band was putting on shows, (by ourselves mind you) we had a small select bands to pick from in the western pei area, but our show usually had a punk band(hardly anybody), a dave matthews style band(Nesta), a Rage against the machine type band(Sqwerl Soup), a Tea Party type band(solomon Dean) and a hard tool/incubus/system of a down band(elysium)...now if that isn't diverse i am not sure what is.
and our shows went fine.
having 5 bands that sound the same is not fun.
but again that is JUST ME.

I think the scene on pei is not shitty or not great. it is just starting. I mean i haven't heard of half of these bands until this site started and i am like one of the biggest indie band supporters around, but until the scene smartens up and get rolling i just have to deal with sending money to bands from not PEI.

anyways.
all i think is that when i play music and was in a band, i really didn't give two shits about if people liked my band, i know at least one person did( i think) and i am not making music for other people to like it(if they do, super!), but i make music for ME, not anyone else.

**the opinions stated here are the opinions of one person, please do not take them to heart**

Floor Sleeping
Hey we're playing at the arts guild friday night and I was wondering if anyone has some extra floor for us to crash on after the show for the night?

There is three of us. One tall lanky fellow, one short smelly diabetic and one portly dirty drummer.

We are the rudy huxtable projet. We are nice and have manners. I can cook as well. Mmmmm. Vegan waffels. Yum....

If you can help us out that would be cool and we will return the favor if you come to Cape Breton.


communicate.
a.

stuff
Q: How many punks does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Two. One to screw it in and another to kick the stool out from underneath and say "how punk was that?!!"
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Q: How many punks does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: 11. one to screw it in and 10 to call him a sellout.


also, if all else fails, there rarely goes a weekend where someone doesn't sleep on one of our 5 couches.
so rudy huxteble
if you don't find anywheres,
e-mail me.

oh yeah.
i will be at the show....must see the plan...

jpineau@onlinesupport.pe.ca

albert
the project can crash at coolbreeze city, albert.

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anyone from pei wanna fight. ya little pussy's!

haha
hahahahaha classic.

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Is "Hardly Anybody" still together?

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WINDOM YOU'RE PURE WILD HOW ABOUT SOME MORE SOUNDS IN THE ARCHIVE.

Hardly Anybody
As far as I know hardly anybody is still together. We (Church) played a "show" with them back in Feburary

BRING BACK THE MOUSTACH
PATT MOLLARD WAS DEEPLY DISSAOPOINTED WHEN READING PEI LOCALS AND SEE THAT NOBODY MENTIONED ONE MOUSTACH IN ANY OF THEIR WRITING. THIS DISTURBS PATT MOLLARD GREATLY
AND PATT MOLLARD FEARS FOR THE PEOPLE OF PEI.
PATT MOLLARD TALKS ABOUT PATT MOLLARDS MOUSTACH AS MUCH AS PATT MOLLARD CAN .IF PATT MOLLARD CAN, YOU CAN DO IT TOO.
PATT MOLLARDS MOUSTACH IS KIND OF WISPY IN SOME PLACES AND BUSHY IN OTHER PLACES {LIKE A CUMULIS NIMBIS CLOUD IN THE SKY} ON SOME OCCASIONS YOU CAN SEE DEFFERNT PORTIONS OF MY DINNER{MOSTLY HARD BOILED EGGS} JUST HANGING OUT IN THE PROMINENTLEY BUSHY AREAS OF PAT MOLLARDS MOUSTACH. PATT MOLLARD JUST LOVES HARD BOILED EGGS! IN THE WISPY AREAS YOU ARE MORE LIKLY TO FIND CRACKER CRUMBS.
THIS IS JUST ONE WAY YOU CAN DISCUSS YOUR MOUSTACH. BUT OF COURSE YOU MAYBE TEMPTED TO REPEAT WHAT PATT MOLLARD SAY.BUT YOU WOULD JUST BE EXPLAINING PATT MOLLARDS MOUSTACH AND NOT YOURS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO PATT MOLLARD ABOUT YOUR MOUSTACH FOR PRACTICE FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL PATT MOLLARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH PATT MOLLARD

Did you say eggs?
You're fucking dead. Eating eggs and not being ashamed of yourself? What is that? And you call yourself a human being.




Just kidding.









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EAT SHIT

Eggs
I had eggs this morning. It's a good food, you can have them so many ways. Boiled or hard boiled. Sunnyside up or down. You can poach them or scramble them. The eggs is great, hail the egg. Lets move on to milk shell we, or how about a side of beef. I don't get it, why is it some people find eating foods that are made from, or made by an animal is wrong? I don't see it as being wrong. Hell everything on earth has a purpose. Dinosaurs were here, so when they all died humans could make fuel. Animals were put here so humans could have food. And I'm sure day another master race will come along that will take over man, robots maybe? No I understand is some people don't want to eat the stuff because yes, some times to much beef or eggs, well anything really can be unhealthy, but isn't there something in these foods humans need? Now I can see not eating cats or dogs, cause they are now mainly house pets "yes, cretin groups on earth eat them animals" but until people start putting cows and pigs in there living rooms as pets, I'll eat them. mmmm Bacon, ham, eggs and toast, toped off with a tall glass of frosty cold milk. I'll take that breakfast over a bowl of oats any day.

Rabbit
Oh and one more thing, I would never eat rabbit. Cause I have a pet rabbit, her name is Sandy. She is 8 years old, litter trained and we play scocer. I push the ball to her, and she pushes it back. Great, great pet. Love ya sandy.

ethnocentric meat eaters unite.
yikes. andrew, you should maybe read a little bit about why people are vegan before assuming it's for health reasons, hey? maybe if you were treated the way most of the chickens who lay your eggs were treated, you'd think twice about 'hailing' them. of course, you'd probably be dead, or at least insane, pumped full of hormones, pulling yourself around because of your broken legs, and killing everyone. so maybe start here:

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/whyvegan/why home.html

"yes, cretin groups on earth eat them animals"
um, yeah, are you quoting someone here? cos i don't think racism, elitism, or ethnocentrism is really appreciated on this board..


love, christina xo.

ummm
I'm not mocking any one, I was just saying... And I know it has to do with animals being treated unfair, but I don't think that is any reason to avoid that food group, and let my body miss out on the things in meat that our body needs. Sure you can get pills that will supply the body with everything it needs, but still. And it just tastes good.

And where did you pick out racism? I'm totally not a racist. I should start my own group, kind of like food not bombs, but hand out hot dogs and hamburgers.

re: ummm
Calling another culture a cretin group isn't cool.

Oh my god.
Are you fuckin serious? Because I called a "culture" a cretin group I'm a racist? I could have came out and said every one in the Chinese culture eats car and dog, but its not true, a cetin group of that culture does though. god...

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andrew, because someone eats something that you dont eat doesnt make them a cretin. eating a dog doesnt make you a cretin. nor does eating monkey brains out of the skulls like some people do. it doesnt make you a cretin, it makes you someone who eats different foods. no one one here is calling you a cretin for eating animal flesh and unborn chicken fetuses. we might be suggesting that you look into why you shouldnt, but we're not slagging you for your decisions. we're not calling you stupid or saying that you're a lower rung on the evolutionary ladder because of it.

if we wanted to get right into andrew, i could point out your gramatical and spelling ineptitude and comment on how you must be a "cretin" or perhaps just some manner of unschooled retarded farm boy. but that wouldnt be nice, just like calling people with different values "cretins" isnt nice.

i'm pretty sure if you lived like 80% of the world's population does you'd be eating dogs and bugs and whatever else you could get your hands on so you wouldnt starve to death. you know, instead of sitting at home on a nice computer eating pizza pops.

basically, andrew, what we're trying to say is have some consideration for others. other people in different situations. other people on this msg board with different beliefs. other forms of life that, yes, have feelings too. and probably enjoy living as much as you do and dont really want to be killed and eaten in the same way i respect that you dont want to be beat in the face with a bat at the next show and thrown in a gravel pit.

just try and be nice. and considerate. all right?

love, mike and the vegan death squad.

my cock your cunt
hi, just writing to let everyone know that i will be sellign some copies of my new zine at the show on friday, as i will be travelling to your island via the plan. this will be your only chance to get the first issue of halifax's punk tabloid with all the gossip. find out which halifax sXe icon wants to be fucked by which pop-punk pot-head, where AV does his fuckin, and why the sXe princess was run out of PEI.

ciao. ger.

Mike
Good points indeed. I withdrawal my "cretin" comment. But you called be a farm boy? I lived in Charlottetown by whole life. Well most of it was in York, but if you look up on city limits York is now part of Charlottetown just not policed by the CPD yet. I now lived near downtown, a 10 minute walk there. On and a 5 minute walk from your place Mike.

Any ways, I also don't care if people don't eat meat and eggs, I was just commenting on what some one said about eggs in another post. Then some one called me a racist. Do you blame me for trying to defend myself on that one? And yes Mike, My spelling and grammar is bad. I'm working on it though. Getting smashed in the face with a bat would suck, should I watch my back? Do I have a "cretin" gang of Ripping Hammer hating vegans after me now? bah. I know what you mean, it was a good example.

B = M
My keyboard is a hunk of crap, and most of the letters are screwed up. Ignore the misspelled words, I'm sure you all are smart enough to figure out what they meant.

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hi andrew!

the reason i called your comment:
"yes, cretin groups on earth eat them animals ['house pet' i.e. domesticated dogs, cats, or rabbits in your case]"

racist was because for the large majority, cultures who DO eat these animals are presumably NOT the same race that you are, making it a racist [a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race; Merriam-Webster]
comment. but hey, this is me assuming that you are a white, upper-middle class man, which could be way off the mark, but knowing pei's lack of diversity, i feel justified in this assumption. since you claim to not be 'a racist', i can only hope you didn't mean it that way. does that makes sense?

i didn't mean to make you angry, i just took offense to your comment and felt that maybe you should read a little bit about why people become vegan before generalizing it all into the health category. honestly, i love the taste of ice cream and sometimes i miss cheese, but there are some pretty convincing arguments in my opinionto choose a lifestyle that refrains from those things.

oh, and the definition of a cretin how you used the term, in case some people are unaware, is a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person. i like dictionaries. sue me.

and hey, if you want to start up a Meat Not Bombs then go for it! except for getting donations of spoiled meat and serving it on a hot summer day might not be too appealing to some people...but if the initiative is there, then hey, feed the poor and homeless any way you can, that's what it's all about.

oh, and did you check out that link? i hope so...it's pretty interesting, even for people who don't choose a vegan lifestyle.

phew! this was kind of long. sorry folks. but yeah, maybe pei needs more vegan education readily available so that people's values and beliefs in terms of diet can be understood better and we can be more tolerant of one another. vegan death squad, i'm looking in your direction here. personal is political!

love, christina xo.

meat for me
hey andrew, don't worry about getting beat by vegans. those pussy's are too weak from lack of protein. even if they are the rich ones who can afford supplements, i got your back. together we can rid pei of all people who limit their diets to food's food. it's time we took back our sense of being human. human's are supposed to eat anything that tastes good. period. hold on, except for hot dogs. they're just disgusting food put in our super-markets by the gov't as an attempt to poison and ween out the stupid. but as a rule, the prior statement is true. ya think if chickens were ruling the world they'd give a fuckin rats ass about us. hell no. they'd be goin to the pub for hot fingers and shit. man, our world has gotten so fucked up and stupid everyone thinks they're a hero and shit for being vegan. that's just a load of crap. now, if you don't eat meat, or certain types because you don't like the taste, than so be it. if it's because you feel sorry for the poo wittle manimals, then you're an idiot. the same people that bash people for eating animals off a farm would bash you for eating somthing you hunted. now surely you can't argue that i deer that i just shot didn't live his life to fullest just before i capped him now can ya. i just wish all you fuckin vegans and shit would stop being so fucking self ritous. thank you for reading this if you've gotten this far. bye.
ps:to the admins that are vegans, i'm sorry................sort of. i remember one in particular that used to love a good burger. now didn't ya. don't ya miss it?

eat meat...
or don't. just buy my zine on friday. help me drink.

DEAR TASTE LIKE BURNING
PATT MOLLARD IS KIND OF UPSET,BECAUSE NOBODY WILL
KISS PATT MOLLARD,PATT MOLLARD IS 34 YEARS OLD AND NOT YET KISSED A GIRL.{WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE SEX}
WHY IS IT THAT PATT MOLLARD IS NOT DESIRED BY THE OPPOSITE GENDER?{PENDING IF THEY ARE JUST PLAYING HARD TO GET}
PATT MOLLARD IS IN PATT MOLLARDS VIEW A VERY DESIRABLE MEMBER OF THE MALE GENDER{MOUSTACH}
PATT MOLLARD WOULD NOT HIT ON YOU IF YOU WERE A FEMALE FRIEND. PATT MOLLARD JUST WANTS A KISS.
YOU COULD DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO PATT MOLLARD.{PATT MOLLARD IS OPEN TO NEW THINGS}
I WOULD NOT TOUCH YOU {EXCEPT ON THE LIPS}
PATT MOLLARD UNDERSTANDS THAT YOUR BODY BELONGS TO YOU AND NOT PATT MOLLARD THEREFORE PATT MOLLARD WOULD NEVER HIT ON YOU.
PATT MOLLARD WOULD NOT PLAY GAMES WITH YOU OR IF YOU WANT PATT MOLLARD WOULD NOT TALK TO YOU PATT MOLLARD WOULD ONLY LIKE ONE KISS.{PLEASE BE PATT MOLLARDS GIRL FRIEND}
WOULD TASTE LIKE BURNIG HAVE ADVICE FOR PATT MOLLARD?

SINCERELY PATT MOLLARD

RE: christina
hey, i know you put that website there for andrew, but ive been interested in veganism for a bit and decided to check it out. it was very eye opening, i was just wondering if you knew any sites or books(or any publications) that would make it easier to find out what is vegan and what isnt, for food and such.
thanks

PAT MOLLARD
WELL COULD IT BE THAT PAT MOLLARD HAS NEVER BEEN KISSED BY A GIRL BECAUSE HE KEEPS REFERING TO HIMSELF AS "PAT MOLLARD"...WELL MAYBE YES, THAT MUST BE IT. WELL PAT I JUST LIKE TO TELL YOU IFF YOU GAVE ME 23 DOLLARS ID GIVE YOU A KISS, WELL NO, IF I WAS 35 AND YOU GAVE ME 23 DOLLARS, THEN ID GIVE YOU A KISS

oh, bravo.



although i'm sure the rest of the rest of the halfways intelligent kids on this board (vegan or not) will get around to replying to this, i just can't resist.


i don't have a big problem with eating meat per se, but it seems your "sense of being human" is defined by unnecessary cruelty and insensitivity to the pain and exploitation of others, and hell, i guess you're right, that is pretty much what humans are about, however, i don't think it's something that needs reclaiming. in fact, i think the nazis, rapists and other sociopaths have done a pretty good job of that already, don't you think?


just out of curiosity, why the hell shouldn't we
feel bad for the "poor little animals"? i mean, they can feel pain and suffering just as fully as we do, so why should we subject them to that kind of shit just because we're too lazy to give a shit about anyone but ourselves.

i mean honestly, the only real difference between animal consciousness and human consciousness is the capacity for abstract thought, and even a lot of chimps, bonobos and gorillas show signs of such cognitive processes. but then, if they taste good, why shouldn't we eat them? or for that matter, why shouldn't we eat people, according to your reasoning?

we sure could cut down on health care and social inconvenience if we just through all the prisoners, developmentally delayed and sick people into factory farms, fattened them up and ate them, so why should we feel bad for the poor little humans? i mean, humans are animals too, so what's the difference eh?


and humans are "meant" to eat anything that tastes good? riighht...so why is it that meat tastes like shit if you don't cook it and meanwhile we've got people dying of diseases they get from meat and 9 year olds dying of heartattacks cos they're just doing what they're "meant" to do and eating hamburgers all the damn ass time (globe and mail, read it yourself, the fat+blood diet north america has written into their constitution is finally being recognized for poisoning the shit out of everybody. go figure.).

but then, health isn't really the issue, it's really just that you're an insenstive arrogant chauvinist who's two self-absorbed to extend his sympathy outside of his own species.




honestly, who's being more self righteous here, those of us saying "hey, maybe you should look at how your diet not only effects millions of animals who are being tortured for your convenience, but is intimately connected to wiping out millions of acres of rainforest and displacing indigenous populations for your burger eating punk ass" or you just calling us idiots because we think that caring about other living things is worth doing.

and yeah, what about that? what about the fact that the meat diet you hold so dear isn't environmentally sustainable? what about the fact that millions of people in "developing" nations are starving to death because land that could be used to grow grain is being used to feed cows that'll feed about 10% as many people, or that entire cultures are being wiped out either because their homes are being bulldozed to create beef pasture or they're just being shot for getting in the way? what about these people, what about these "poor little people." why isn't it that they don't deserve any sympathy or consideration?


we have to recognize that all of our actions have impacts that go way beyond the narrow little world that we choose to live in, and much of the time our luxury is directly related to other people's (or animals') misery.


on another note, i too used to enjoy a good burger, but then i decided that it wasn't worth the ammount of suffering my enjoyment was causing.




oh yeah, and if chickens ruled the world they'd eat grain and bugs you idiot.

buy gerry's zine.

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nice job on the site, always good to see PEI is more than an often irritating lump of dirt in the ocean.

awesomefest
someone should totally update the awesomefest stuff here and on the Official Site, cos kids are gonna get confused what with the different information on this site, the awesomefest site and the posters.

seriously.

i'm confused.

Johna
You had a lot of good points in there, really good actually. And I feel the same way on some of the issues. I hate thinking that in this world people are still starving to death. But really, what can I do? Besides donating money to them organizations that put it towards getting them food, education and immunization, what can I do? Just because I eat hamburgers does not mean some one is gonna die. I also don't eat animals that are endangered. Take a drive in rural PEI, and you will see thousands of cows that live a better life them some humans do. They are cleaned, fed, taken care of, then sadly slathered and served to a plate, but them same cows would not last very long in the cold winter months. As for me wanting to eat a human, I don't think that would ever happen, unless some day I find myself in a situation like 'Alive'.

Any ways, I know there is more to being vegan then just the health issues. And it does suck that so many animals die. But until I see the animals becoming endangered I don't think my life style will change. I don't hate vegans, and I respect the lifestyle, well most of it, some people can take it to far. Any how, I'm done on this topic, next please.

Typo
Sorry for the error on your name.

yea
Considering the ‘factual’ points given by both sides of this conversation, it’s pretty clear that vegan is the healthy/humane/logical way to go. But in my opinion, that doesn’t make it the right thing to do, but I’ll keep quiet about why that is for now.

I’ve been known to have the occasional steak every now and then, and because of that I’ve taken some abuse from a small number of self proclaimed vegans. I used to have a webpage with a family steak recipe on it, and it was routine to receive an abusive email every month or so. Some of them were friendly and asking me to hear their sides of the story, but there were ones that were abusive and inconsiderate to my lifestyle choice/culture. I’ve also run into people who have actually looked down on me because of my love for meat, and have ‘preached’ to me the wrongs of my ways.

I’m not too sure about the scene in PEI anymore, but the vegan/straight-edge lifestyle has become extremely trendy in my part of the world. They usually put black X’s on their hands or get tattoos proclaiming their lifestyle choice, which I think is missing the point all together. They’re doing it because it’s ‘cool’, not because it’s bettering (is that a word?) themselves as a person.

In general, I’ve gotten a pretty discouraging impression of the whole vegan society. Never have I been given the whole ‘I-respect-you-as-a-person-but-would-you-like-some-informati on-on-the-vegan-lifestyle’ treatment in person. But instead, I’ve been given the whole ‘meat-is-murder-and-you’re-a-sick-fuck-for-eating-it’ act. Vegans (in a very very very general term) are no less annoying than those street corner bible thumpers (not to diss religion though. I’m a catholic and I dig the bible ‘n all). Vegans are doing the right thing for themselves and humanity in general, but I’ll never give respect to someone who ‘preaches’ their beliefs to me like I’m a child, and looks down on me because of my lifestyle.

So yea, that’s my impression of vegans. Keep in mind that a lot vegans are polite and considerate; it’s just a select few that spoil the whole bunch. I remember at Stephan’s BBQ/show last summer and I felt a little awkward cus I was cooking up steaks. But to my surprise, no one gave me shit or anything. I remember asking Jonah. if he would like a steak (I didn’t know he was vegan at the time) and he politely said ‘no thank you’. That stood out because I thought that a vegan would stick his nose up and call me a murderer or something.

So whatever side of the fence you’re on please be considerate to either party. Andrew, you’re just trying to start a fight. You should try a veggie burger at Harvey’s/Burger King sometime. They taste better than real burgers, and I’m sure you’ll enjoy not sweating while you eat. That's my two cents, keep the change.

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An d on a steak related note, “STYS – Chapter eight – the summer of blood” is still on for august first. We’re looking at a budget of five hundred bucks this year, so make sure you’re blood-sugar levels are in check.

Awesomefest 2
hey, im just wonering if someone could help me out and tell me where the Frequency is?
peace

XenvisonX
is XenvisionX not playing here anymore?

Frequency
I believe frequency is the place formerly known as Barneys. It is right above Melons, which is on the same street as JR Capones, which is in Charlottetown. University ave I believe they call it (the street that is).

yeah
Your right, it's across from The Shops of Confederation in Downtown Charlottetown on the university avenue side of the mall. You will see a sign the says "Melons", and it's above that establishment.

melons...
am i the only person that thinks the name "melons", is waaaaaaay to misleading?

think hooters.....and picture it if you went in and it was a OWL bar.....???

veganism. go figure.
hey, i just wanted to post a brief (ha, we'll see how that goes) reply to the past two vegan comments..which, in contrast to hockey fuckaz tirade, were refreshing non-bigoted.

first, andrew: i think that's what it comes down to a for a lot of people; the feeling that what they do won't make any difference, but it's that sort of defeatest attitude that is the problem, really. i mean, although i'm not a fan of looking to the corporate food industry for validation, but at least look at what's been going on in the past 10 years or so, there's a vast number of new vegetarian and vegan products on the market, both from more independent companies, and big monster companies like loblaws, but the fact is, people are making this choice, and it is having an effect. sure the fact that superstore is making all these vegan "organics" products just ammounts to another way to bilk cash out of a previously inaccessible market, but the fact that a major corporation in a meat obsessed society is offering a line of products which are accessible even to many more strict vegans (those who don't eat refined sugar, etc..) is very telling.

furthermore, there is that old argument (that is so true, but still no one ever listens to it) that of course one person makes a difference, because the masses are made up of millions of "one persons" and it never is just one person, really. and i mean, maybe you're giving up meat won't be the straw that breaks the meat industry's back (but you never know), but if you think about how much meat and dairy you personally consume in a year, if you didn't that's not only a lot fewer animals that need to be killed/mistreated to feed you, but it's a lot less money you're giving to the companies that are doing this.

and i mean, when you say you don't think someone's going to die because you eat a hamburger...it's like, yes, and no. because that's the thing, people OUR dying because of your decision (as a north american) to eat meat, and i think it's best to look at it as a principle thing..think about it this way: money is the only thing that means shit to corporations, and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves ("you're blind baby, blind to the facts..." to quote flava flav..on a totally unrelated topic), and so really, by buying things, or eating meat/dairy your parents have lying around, which causes them to have to buy more meat/dairy, you're paying these companies, legitimizing them, telling them in the only language that they understand, that it's okay that they're treating animals cruelly and and wiping out other cultures and people's live and livelihoods, further, by giving them your money, you're saying that you SUPPORT their actions. honestly, they don't care what you do with the meat, so long as you buy it.

so i mean, charities are one thing, but what's the point of giving to charities if you're part of the problem, right? it's like, how are charities ever going to help these decimated culture get back on their feet if their only means to live (ie: land to grow food, live on, etc.) has been stolen by corporations whose bankroll you're paying into? a lot of charities do good work, but they don't try to solve the problem, they just end up throwing money at it a lot of the time. when dealing with issues of poverty, starvation, mass illness due to malnutrition, charities try to "fix" the problem, by treating the symptoms, instead of looking at the cause, which is the actions of these (and other, i mean it's not like it's only meat and dairy producers who have blood on their hands) companies, who we helped make as successful as they are.


is any of this making sense? i hope so.


and vince: hey, i totally know there are a lot of really superficial, arrogant, antagonistic vegan kids kicking around, but i mean, it's pretty one-sided to allow them to "ruin it for the rest of us"....which is obvious enough, but like, i'm sure you know lots of asshole guys, but you probably don't have a bad attitude about men because of it, and there are a lot of big stupid fighty drunks, but it doesn't turn you off drinking...see where i'm going? i mean, sXe and veganism, despite all their flaws, are really now worse than any other group in the world who has their share of idiots, because and subculture is still made up of humans, so inevitably there are going to be some unsavoury characters, but i think it's because veganism and straightedge, despite being all trendy, do still stick out because they go against (at least on some level) the values held by our society, therefore people find them threatening and are more willing to write them off on the basis of a few bad apples, when they wouldn't do that for other groups.

maybe?

and another thing, i'm sure it gets a lot worse in bigger cities and shit, but honestly, probably the most common criticism i hear about vegans is how they're always trying to force their beliefs on other people, and yet in the years i've been friends with vegans (before i ever joined the ranks), i have never seen any vegan really get in someone's face about eating meat or dairy or whatever (at least not start something like that) and yet i can't even count the number of times non-vegan people have totally lain into vegans for no reason other than that they didn't like veganism and thought it was stupid. i see this shit so much, people are constantly getting on vegans' cases, especially when their more stringent in their diet. but that's just my experience. i'm not saying it doesn't happen that vegans are like that, but i do think it's a lot more rare than people like to think. what it comes down to is that people are threatened by veganism (not by vegans) or made uncomfortable by it because it does conflict with some pretty engrained, long standing values in our culture.

and although this is where i'm sure people will think that i've crossed the line into preaching, when it comes down to it, i don't think meat eaters are bad people, but you have to admit, if you think animal cruelty is wrong and you think that multinationals exploiting and basically kicking the shit out of people in other countries is wrong, then you have to recognize that supporting the meat and dairy industry is sort of wrong too.

no? i think that's pretty logical, although you're free to challenge me on it. so i'm not saying that everyone should become vegan, but i think everyone should think more about how their actions impact others outside of their immediate realm of experience, especially relatively well-off kids in north america who basically the rest of the world suffers for so we can consume to our hearts' content.

oh, and just a final note, something that i meant to mention above...it's pretty easy to whine about vegans preaching at you, but try not eating meat and living in a culture that almost every minute of every day, whether its tv, radio, gorcery stores, restaurants, friends, school, family whatever, preaches to you the gospel of eating meat. think about it.



brief reply. ha.

That was long.
Good work on the essay sir, and yes I get all them points. I do try to stay away from imported products as well, so my meat eating is not as bad as the people who only like imported foods. I'm not saying Canadian beef farmers don't hurt their animals. Also, I don't trust a lot of imported stuff, weird? And I also like my dollar to stay in the local "Canadian" economy.

Any ways, I thank you for all that information, I'm gonna read up on it some more.

XDAVEX
Hey Dave,
I just wanted to respond to your comment about websites, books, and or publications with informations on a vegetarian/vegan lifstyle. Here are a few suggestions that may help you out.
Maybe some have been previously mentioned.

Vegan Outreach: http://www.veganoutreach.org/index.html

Pretty stright forward. A good read.


No Compromise: http://www.nocompromise.org/

This site is described by them as a militant, direct action newspaper of grass roots animal liberationists and their supporters.

PETA: http://www.peta.com/

People for the ethical treatment of animals.



These are a couple websites dealing with issues that surround vegetarianism/veganism. Some you may find a little more interesting than other. Some will probably say things you don't agree with. But blah blah, knowledge is power. You also may want to look at AK Press's website.

www.akpress.org

They distribute all kinds of great leftist literature and have some really good books pertaining to what we are talking about. Go to the CHOOSE A TOPIC bar in the top left hand corner and choose VEGETARIAN/ANIMAL RIGHTS.



Other than that if you are at the show on Fri. night at the arts guild we could talk about some of this stuff. I also run a distro for AK Press so I'll bring the catalogue along and any books that I have room for in case you want to have a look. I hope this helps a little.

communicate.
a.


Oh yeah. These are not just for Dave. Everyone can take a look.

EGGS?
Yeah..... My origional post was not really serious. I was merely trying to facilitate a discussion. I am not a hardline militant vegan. I do however have a deep fondness for animals.

Good Points Jonah.

communicate.
a.

blah!
i had just wrote a big long speel, but decided to delete it. i did so because this topic is pretty stupid, and not worth takin up that much space. it's corporations like mc donalds destroying the rainforest, not meat farmers in general. most of these farmers need beef cattle sales in order to survive. who's more important, cows or people? and there are people who eat meat that don't support these types of corporations. i do my very best to not eat from any of the fast food joints. and that includes veggie burgers you fuckin retards. you're supporting the same people no matter what you buy from them. it's fucking hillarious how contradictory SOME vegans are. fuck, you guys say you're not preachers, but all your doing is preaching. what the fuck. don't say i'm preaching either, unless it's preaching about not preaching, cause if you noticed, i didn;t tell you to do or not to do anything except leave the meat eaters alone. ohhh, poor baby, it's sooooooo hard to be vegan. suck it cry baby, noone's feelin sorry for ya, not even the wittle manimals.
ps:i do have vegan friends. they never push their views on me, and i don't push mine on them. i respect one of these guys in particular cause i know how much he loves meat, he just can't stand the cruelty. i'm not denying the fact some of these animals have a hard go, i'm just sayin that i wasn't put here to make a difference, and frankly believe there are more important things to worry about.
pps:oops, turned into a long one anyway. sorry.

xdavex
The sites that albert pointed out are really nice sites, and you should definitely check them out. A couple more that I can think to add off the top of my head are

http://www.govegan.net which is a site by the women who wrote "How it all Vegan" aka the best vegan cookbook ever as well as

http://www.vegweb.com which is a my favoriterecipe site, but even if you just want to try veganism out, it has lots of great, fairly simple recipes to try. you might also be interested in

http://www.vegan-straight-edge.org.uk which is a decent site..

but yeah, you should totally check out peta, vegan outreach and ak press, as well as
http://animal-ingredients.hypermart.net/ which is an online version of Animal Ingredients A to Z, which is basically the vegan bible.

thanks for responding to the posts, jo. does janette still bring the why vegan booklets to shows?

love, christina xo.

my toothpaste is depressing
Reading these arguments about veganism got me thinking... i tried being a vegetarian once because i didn't want to eat animals, but i didn't last too long. But now I've read some articles on those websites, and i realize all the cruelty and suffering my lifestyle is inflicting on animals, and the world in general really. I read one article about how so many products are cruelly tested on animals and I found that even my toothpaste (Colgate) is tested on animals. it's overwhelming. i felt so guilty brushing my teeth this morning. i have so much respect for anyone who's a vegan and i'm seriously thinking about it... it's just seems so hard, but thanks for putting some light on the subject

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a few things....

first: to andrew, you have to be careful about what you think the "canadian economy" is, because the number of nation-bound corporations is dwindling rapidly. just because something is a product of canada doesn't mean the company has any particular allegiance to canada or any of the peopl in it. and really, the economy doesn't serve us, it serves corporations and the rich, so supporting the "canadian economy" is actually a far cry from supporting a local economy by buying food that is produced in your area, by the people who live there, blah blah blah....


and to hockey fuckez (who are you, anyway?), i'm not sure on what basis you've decided that this topic is stupid..or i guess it's quite clear that you think it's stupid because it involves the feelings/wellbeing of anyone other than yourself, but i guess we've gone over that, haven't we.

in any case, yes, it is companies like mcdonalds that are destroying the rainforests, and it's commendable that you don't support them (whatever your reasons), however, it's not just mcdonalds, because a large portion of the north american beef market is fed by other countries. the ammount of beef produced in canada and the US is steadily decreasing, as foreign markets continue to look more attractive.
further, while meat farmers in general may not be responsible for the decimation of the rainforest, the are responsible for a certain degree of environmental degradation in north america and abroad, in terms of the incredible pollution and often disease which is produced by factory farms and concentrated populations of livestock. on top of that is the fact that more people could be fed on the grain that is used for cows than can be fed by the beef, milk, etc. which is produced, so it is an issue with wider currency.

while i am sympathetic to farmers and their plight, i'm not about to get into a "who's more important" argument (although maybe they should have looked into a livelihood that wasn't based on insensitivity, misery, and exploitation) because yeah, independent farmers are in a hell of a bind when it comes to their livelihood. however, it is worht noting that a) there wouldn't be such a demand for farms to specialize in beef or pork or whatever meat only were it not for a market which espouses ridiculous consumption, and b) most of the meat we eat does not come from local independent farmers who rely on it for survival, but from massive agribusiness firms. further, it is those huge agribusinesses who you are supporting when you buy meat, not the farmers. because even if the company is buying from independent farmers, it is buying from them at incredibly low prices which are responsible for the dire economic straits of the farmer, thus if one really give a shit about farmers, one should oppose and proteset the corporate monoplization of the meat industry and try to lend support to the farmers themselves by buying meat locally, from them, and cutting out the middle man. so when it comes down to it, there's a good chance that if you're not buying meat from local farmers, you're supporting the corruption and destructiveness of the industry just as much as you would be if you were buying from mcdonalds.

on anoter note, you made a really good point about eating veggie burgers from fast food places, which was something i had wanted to comment on when it was suggested earlier on the page, but never got around to it. buying a veggie burger from burger king is really no differen than buying a meat burger except for the few ounces of meat that you aren't consuming. similarly, while i appreciate that superstore now carries a number of vegan products, one has to be aware that buying the organics line only really makes a difference in terms of the quanitity of animal products you are responsible for consuming or not, because you are supporting the same people in the same way. that being said, if more people were eating vegan and buying from PC, then PC would be making fewer meat products. y'know?

but yeah.



in any case, i'm interested in how you define "preaching" exactly. fo instance, do you consider the civil rights movement "preaching"? do you consider someone standing up and saying that people of all color deserve equal respect and access to opportunities in life? do you consider the police, the state, and the judicial system preaching when they tell us not to murder rape and steal? what exactly are you talking about, i'm just curious.


but i guess calling people fucking retards is far more productive, right?



because you'd be the last one to preach...


"it's time to take back our sense of being human. humans are meant to eat anything that tastes good. period."


"if...you feel sorry for the poor wittle animals then you're an idiot."


"together we can rid pei of all people who limit their diets to food's food."


yeah, i guess that is a lot more like hate mongering than preaching, now isn't it. sounds like you're just trying to get the vegans off your back so you can eat your steak in peace...right.





so what were you put here to do, if not make a difference?

or is it just to give a hard time to people who are trying to make a difference? because that's what it seems like.

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oh, and jane, you just gotta take it one step at a time..if it's something you believe in, start with what you can manage, just cos it can be pretty overwhelming.

it's not like you have to be hardcore vegan to help the cause, cos every little bit counts.

quick quick quick
work is hella busy, I gotta make this quick (ha).

vegan is the way to go. I've seen the videos, gone over the facts, browsed the webpages, and stared at mike scarth's 'XVEGANX' tattoo across his stomach for close to an hour and a half. vegans know what's up, but none of their arguments/points even come close to touching the real reasons I choose to eat meat. I won't get into it right now, but I plead with you to respect the completely valid decision I've made.

I just wanted touch upon the preaching issue. Fact is, vegans are a minority. Think this is going to change anytime soon? Don't hold your breath. Go ask blacks, gays, and any other visible minority out there about how shitty discrimination is. I'm not saying that it's fair or right, but it /is/ human nature. We discriminate against anyone who is different from majority. It's cruel, but it a fact.

I respect vegans because they are bettering their health and society, but don't be surprised if the rest of the population thinks you're nuts. Within a century or two everyone will probably be vegan, but until that happens you better expect your fair share of ribbing.

It's seriously busy here. I love to bitch about this stuff, but I gotta jet.

jane's toofiepaste....
U want a really awesome kind of toothpaste? try Tom's of Maine....its unreal and it tastes great...i highly recommend the cinnamint kind...that and the mouthwash rawk. So do the rest of their products. {:O)

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ok, let me get this. The show @ the barn, the upstairs all ages show, is now a no go?

i just wanted to add
why would anyone buy a veggie burger from a fast food place anyways?....its more than likely cooked right beside a meat burger. I haven't researched this or n e thing....but seriously, they are more than likely not going out of their way to make it any different than a hamburger patty.

No Subject
I think veggie burgers taste better than regular burgers. But as for the whole vegan thing, every little bit counts, right?

animalia
eating meat isn't wrong, it's the way in which we obtain our meat that is inhumane and egotistical. if you want meat, go hunt it fairly like the rest of the animals, with your hands and teeth. ha.

No Subject
I personaly think that eating meat is wrong, but that's just my opion. And I also think that veggie burgers gross, i've never had any from a resturant, but i hate eating out cause i never know where they through meat in, but veggie burgers make me sick so i don't eat them

To eat meat, or not to eat meat..... is that even a question?
I don't think I get it. Does it really matter if people eat meat or don't eat meat? If it does, it shouldn't. Some people think it's wrong, fine. Some people think it isn't, fine. That's that isn't it, we can't agree on everything. Anyway later :) (sorry if I stepped on any toes :( )!!

yeehaw
hey christina and albert thanks for all those great sites, ive been checking them out, very helpful. and albert, im definately gonna be at the show on friday so id love to check that shit out.
yee
haw

Meat!
Well with all of this talk about meat I figured I would look for some figures on the subject of eating meat. The website I got it from was listed in an earlier response but if you are like me, you couldn't be bothered to actually go there. This was all from goveg.org I think. I eat meat and frankly I like the people who preach to you. Whether it is about religion, drinking, or eating meat. It is only somebodys opinion so who cares. Debating is fun and you learn something (except from those religious people. Ha!)



"The production of one pound of beef requires 2,500 gallons of water. It takes less water to produce a year's worth of food for a pure vegetarian (a vegan; one who consumes no meat, eggs, or dairy products) than to produce one month's food for a meat-eater.

Between 1960 and 1985, nearly 40 percent of all Central American rain forests were destroyed to create pasture for beef cattle.

The production of one pound of beef requires 2,500 gallons of water. It takes less water to produce a year's worth of food for a pure vegetarian (a vegan; one who consumes no meat, eggs, or dairy products) than to produce one month's food for a meat-eater

If Americans reduced their meat consumption by only 10 percent, it would free 12 million tons of grain annually for human consumption. That alone would be enough to adequately feed each of the 60 million people who starve to death each year. "

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numbers talk

dressin' up
i'm kind of curious to see how many people out there would actually get dressed up in a particular costume for a show if it was a theme type of event.

for example, coming up are two shows where people will save a couple bucks at the door if they get dressed up. i don't think we've really experimented with this type of thing (except maybe halloween shows or something).

i think it's awesome to do something different for shows instead of just having bands play. get some audience participation, and make the event memorable.

how about this. windom earle is playing 3 awesomefest shows, and i want everyone who thinks they're a windomearle fan to get dressed up whenever they see us.

on friday, i want to see people dressed up as cowboys.

on saturday, the theme is dead celebrities, so any 19+ people should dress up as john candy. that's right. i want all of you to dress up as john candy. (if that's too difficult, pick any famous dead canadian).

next friday at the a/v show, we're playing a new wave set, so i want everyone to dress up in skinny ties, and neon clothing.

and then next saturday is the metal concert, so wear tophats. (this show is also 19+).

thank you. that is all.

re: meat
Is it just me or is this whole meat issue not really clarified... It seems like there's two separate issues here: the meat INDUSTRY as it exists and the concept of eating meat. Of course the vast majority of meat eaters rely on the meat industry for their meat but I think there should be a distinction made (even if one believes that both the industry and eating animals are wrong). I mean, let's face it, the way meat is prepared is not pretty and the meat industry is responsible for a LOT of problems (not just ethical, but environmental as well). I guess what I'm trying to say is I think vegans would do well to point out the horrors of the industry itself as opposed to maybe sticking directly to the "eating an animal under any circumstances is wrong" philosophy (not to generalize, but I get that a lot). If you're going to eat an animal it obviously has to be killed which is certainly not nice, but lets take this in context. Right now we don't even wait til the goddam animals are dead before we slice their guts open... i don't know, i just think there's a much more valid argument to be made against the meat industry itself than the principle of eating meat (which is not to say the latter is to be dismissed). Am I making any sense? probably not, i'll shut up now.

Oh, by the way, everybody go see Riot Diaries because it's really, really cool. :)

dead canadian heroes
Some ideas for a dress up as a celebrity show:
Lorne Greene
Wheels from Degrassi Jr High (not that Degrassi High bullshit)
The other guy from Organized Rhyme.
Any charagcters from the Beach Combers or Danger Bay.
Two words: Nolton Nash (the guy who used to do the National way back in the day).
Or dick the guy David Letterman called who owned a gas station in Saskatoon a couple of years ago. I don't think he was ever on tv, but rest assured he was balding, with an esso work jacket, and possibly a John Deere hat.
Or represent PEI with a Jonathan Torrence motif.
Or top them all and dress up like Jordy Birch. You will steal the show and also receive numerous flying dropkicks to the skull, that I am sure.

lan party
What is this Lan party on April 13? It says it is an all night party from 12 noon to 12 noon the next day at the Hillsboro community center. That is 5 seconds from my house and I was just wondering about it. Sounds like some computer party. (because LAN has something to do with computer technicians or something)

a compromise.
www.manbeef.com

old days....
remember when this site had somethgn remotely to do with music?

meat eating....
all i have to say about the vegan thing is this...

I eat meat, i eat fast food meat. i still love my parents, my friends and music, i am not a bad person.
I don't bitch and complain about vegans, so what gives them the right to complain about me?
if you don't eat meat, fine, but don't complain to me about it.
i don't complain to vegans about putting catle farmers out of business by not eating meat.

and it is not like we are hunting down pandas and eating them.
we are eating cattle raised for the sole purpose of food.
so what is the big deal.

If a cow ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about!
Just ask a scientician.

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mmmmm. panda.

new the cassette. songs:


jonah can take his good points and shove them up his arse
death of a goiter
a gift to baby jonah on his birthday
quick, where's my ass wrench?
the sudden realization that i have to go to the bathroom
where a selective beating of cock gets you
the sudden realization that you're listening to crap
touch me one more time and we'll call it a night
some dudes serve you better coffee

I JUST CAN'NT DO IT!!


WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TELLING PATT MOLLARD THAT YOU WOULD KISS PATT MOLLARD IF YOU WERE 35 PATT MOLLARD,THINKS THAT BECAUSE PATT MOLLARD IS 34 AND THAT OLDER WOMEN WOULD LIKE PATT MOLLARD GIVES PATT MOLLARD RENEWED CONFEDENCE.
THERE IS ANOTHER PENDING PROBLEM ON PATT MOLLARDS MIND, AND THAT IS PATT MOLLARDS BALD SPOT.
THIS BALD SPOTS SEEMS TO GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER.TO COMPENSATE PATT MOLLARD GROWS HAIR LONGER TO LOOK LIKE YOUTHFUL PATT MOLLARD.{PATT MOLLARD DOES NOT COMB HAIR OVER BALD SPOT}
PATT MOLLARD THOUGHT OF GETTING ROGAINE{HAIR TREATMENT} BUT ONE OF PATT MOLLARDS ONLY FRIENDS SAID THAT ROGAIN SMELLS FUNNY,HOW WOULD PATT MOLLARD GET AN OLDER GIRL TO KISS PATT MOLLARD IF PATT MOLLARD SMELLS LIKE ROGAIN? WOULD PATT MOLLARD BE ADMITING DEFEAT BY GETTING ROGAIN?
OR SHOULD PATT MOLLARD JUST BE PATT MOLLARDS SELF?
SHOULD PATT MOLLARD LEAVE PATT MOLLARD ALONE?
PATT MOLLARD IS VERY CONFUSED{YOU COULD SAY DAZED AND CONFUSED,PATT MOLLARDS FAVORITE MOVIE}

PATT MOLLARD IS LOOKING TO JONAH FOR ADVICE!
JONAH PLEASE HELP PATT MOLLARD!!!!!!

SINCERLY PATT MOLLARD.

Looking for a show in PEI
Hey. Could someone help me out with setting up a show in PEI for May 18th? It's for System Shit from Halifax. Haven't played there in years and would love to get a show!
We play crazy crustcore / grind.
If you can help us out, email me and let me know.
Thanx
Cheers!
Drock

RE: meat eating....
~I eat meat, i eat fast food meat. i still love
~my parents, my friends and music, i am not a
~bad person.

I haven't seen anyone call you a bad person.

~i don't complain to vegans about putting catle
~farmers out of business by not eating meat.

Oh boo-hoo, so just because they've formed their lives around a horrible industry, we should feel bad for not giving them another couple dollars?

~we are eating cattle raised for the sole
~purpose of food.
~so what is the big deal.

That's the point, they're raised to die. Would you like it if you were raised for a couple years in horrible conditions, pumped full of tons of chemicals, and then killed?

I'm not vegan, live with some, know a bunch more, but it seems that you're not even trying to understand. You're just making excuses to validate your choice and taking offense to people giving out information.

question??
i have a few questions. do vegans where makeup? if they do, is it taboo to where any tested on animals. cause seriously, if you're into protecting animals, the makeup industry is a serious enemy. i'm mentioning this cause i read jane's article about feeling bad about the toothpaste she used. it is situations like this where i tend to think more of what i'm doing. ya see, i like meat. alot. i'm not about to give it up, no matter how many facts, or any other noise i hear about it. it's the main course in every meal i eat. chicken and fish mostly, but i love a rare rib eye too. anyway, my point was somthing along the lines of how could anyone justify testing shampoos and colognes and makeups on animals. this type of thing makes me sick. see, with food, we eat it, it gives us energy, and we need to eat to survive.noone needs that other crap for anything though ya know? i'd also like to ask if you agree with medical testing on animals. i'm asking cause(sorry, i'm gonna stereotype a little here) i find people into the whole vegan thing often don't. this i find to be rather silly. i mean, it does make me feel terrible everytime i see a program about medical testing on monkeys and things. it's painfull to watch really. but, it is very neccessary. when it comes to the question of who's more important, animals or people, the answer is a no brainer. of course people are more important. if you had a child that was terminally ill, and could possibly benefit from experimental treatments, wouldn't you want them to have been tested to the furthest possible extent? of course you feel sorry for the monkeys that had to become ill and die, but in the long term it's gonna save alot of peoples lives. anyway, done.

I have no need to
Why don't you all cry about meat eaters/vegans now. Boo Hoo. If you all started talking about every controversial topic there is, what would this site turn into? Just another pathetic excuse for a wannabe sociobehavioural forum? Why are you dragging the topic out? Just drop it. I came to this site to check out some decent pei music, and you can talk about whatever you want here, but why is everyone arguing about something that has no relevance? It's not like any of you are going to change someone's personal opinion?! Maybe I'm the idiot. In fact, I can see some of you right now thinking up some way to snap back and comment on my lack of creativity, or poor grammar, or even think of some terrific insult. Go ahead.

lan party
a lan party is when a bunch of computer nerds get together with their computers and some party mix and pop and play networked computer games until they pass out. me and some of my "cooler" buddies here in cape breton had deadly times with delta force 1, worms, quake 1/2/3, and starcraft last summer.

speaking of computers, come see the rudy huxtable project friday night at the arts guild! (http://rudyhux.cjb.net)

????????????
i just flipped you the bird no name. i am sorry, you really sound pissed. let's talk about america's bombing campaing in ugoslavia!hehe, just kidding!

No Subject
i think my all of you should stop fightin over something that will not change. there are goin to be people who eat meat and people who don't. who cares who does what. preaching from ether side will not change the way the other person thinks it is his or her on mind what ever they choose should be respected by everyone.Personaly i eat meat, there is nothin like a big fat bloody steak but that is my opion, my hat is of to all those none eat meat eaters. the world would be a boring place if we all were the same. i thought this page has for the p.e.i music scene not for a bunch of people fight with each other.

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Hey Stephan whats Windom Earle's set looking like for the show?

set
tommorrow night will be a straight-up, old school windom set (a.k.a. two motherfuckers and a mini disc) with a hint of what's to come for the new wave set next friday.

don't buy my zine
it's dirty, offensive and "sexist".

show on the 20th?
hey josh, is it you guys(rippin hammer) that are putting on the show on the twentyth?

well if so, i know a half decent band that would be willing to play if there is an open spot

There name is "against all odds"
they are a "punk rock/emo" band and consist of four talented young musicians

Shadi (i dont know how to spell his last name)
Zak Likley
Nick Doucette
Skandar something (i dont know how to spell either names but you get the point...haha)

well just let me know if you have an opening for them, they could use a little bit of support since they are just beginning to play...

thanks dude

peace

Adam
What's your e-mail?

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hey josh,
you don't know me but i also have a band that is just starting out. we're punkishrockishHCish. if you need another band, we'd be much obliged.

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If bands are looking to play i have roughly 6-8 shows happening through the summer, on the 20th i already have 6 bands going. but i have a show june 6th that has plenty of open bookings.please send me an e-mail to preteamrecords@hotmail.com or spooninmysundae@hotmail.com if your interested and i'll hook you up.

Shows
Church is always looking for showsto play at, that is if people don't mind sharing the stage with a metal band.

Not to dig up hatchets...
but if you have a beef with how no one goes to shows and that no one dances... well there is a show on friday the 29th... go to it, and dance... you don't need other people to have fun... lets take what we've learned from the past and bulid a real future to fight for!(honestly...)

jonah doesn't know as much as he thinks he does
Have you heard about the latest craze
That's sweepin' across the nation
All the punks from coast to coast
Have discovered an old invention:
"Your hair's too long Man, you're a queer
You're too new wave Put down that beer..."

CHORUS:
Do the Slag...look at 'em run
Do the Slaghey you scum
Do the Slag-Ain't it fun
Do the Slag-Let's all be dumb

Badmouth people we don't know
Make sure it's behind their backs
Don't let new people in our scene
It's more fun than having a friend
We'll slag everyone each and every night
So we can pretend that we're all right
Make those pricks feel just so small
We'll show the world that we're three feet tall
Slander their integrity
Doubt their humanity
Talk about their haircuts
Are their politics correct?

meatier than thou...
i wasn't really saying vegan are bad.
hey if you like hugging trees that is fine and dandy by me.
But i don't go around bashing vegans, so what give you the right to call down people that eat meat?

I eat meat. i don't try and make other people eat meat.
i don't care what other people do or say.
i do what i like.
i like meat, so i eat it.

you don't like meat...fine.

it's the same with religon, i don't go to church, but i don't tell other people not to go and i wish they would not try and force me to go.

anyways.
it is just a stupid arguement.
i know vegans, i like them.

but i alas i am super pumped for the show tomorrow.
can't wait to hear the plan.

Alright...
Hey... so i got a crazy idea... i'll say it, thought i know it will be put down in a wave of negative comments... lets bulid a community of people who want to support underground music/thearter/thought/haircuts/etc... this is an invitation... EVERYONE IS WELCOME... come out and make something better! Please, i am serious. i want to bulid somthing work fighting for... cause it's either this or i give up putting on shows for people...

veganism
I agree that being a fascist about the whole vegan issue from either side is not very constructive, but I imagine many vegans feel very strongly that people should actually be legally stopped from killing animals (much like many pro-lifers want to outlaw abortion). I've talked to vegans who believe that the lives of animals are "more important" than that of any human (including themselves)... that's a little creepy.

Greg
Don't stop putting on shows, you do a good job of setting them up, and they do that a lot of time to set up with trying to find a venue location, setting a time, setting up the gear. But you do a good job of setting them up. People do appreciate you putting on the shows, most don't show it, but I'm sure they do. Maybe get bands like Ripping Hammer, and one.21 to play a little more. I also seen a number of other people here saying they are in bands that never get to play any shows, so maybe invite one of them and give them a try. I'm sure there is some way to build a scene to fight for with out starting an army of the same.